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    Ready for a new ice age?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

    The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

    Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
    summer by 2013.

    According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

    The scientists’ predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

    They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a ‘warm mode’ as opposed to the present ‘cold mode’.

    This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming ‘deniers’ or sceptics.

    However, both main British political parties continue to insist that the world is facing imminent disaster without drastic cuts in CO2.
    This image of the UK taken from NASA's multi-national Terra satellite on Thursday shows the extent of the freezing weather

    This image of the UK taken from NASA's multi-national Terra satellite on Thursday shows the extent of the freezing weather

    Last week, as Britain froze, Climate Change Secretary Ed Miliband maintained in a parliamentary answer that the science of global warming was ‘settled’.

    Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has been pushing the issue of man-made global warming on to the international political agenda since it was formed 22 years ago.

    Prof Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany’s Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start.

    He and his colleagues predicted the new cooling trend in a paper published in 2008 and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva last September.

    Last night he told The Mail on Sunday: ‘A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent.

    'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer.

    ‘The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling.’

    As Europe, Asia and North America froze last week, conventional wisdom insisted that this was merely a ‘blip’ of no long-term significance.

    Though record lows were experienced as far south as Cuba, where the daily maximum on beaches normally used for winter bathing was just 4.5C, the BBC assured viewers that the big chill was merely short-term ‘weather’ that had nothing to do with ‘climate’, which was still warming.

    The work of Prof Latif and the other scientists refutes that view.

    On the one hand, it is true that the current freeze is the product of the ‘Arctic oscillation’ – a weather pattern that sees the development of huge ‘blocking’ areas of high pressure in northern latitudes, driving polar winds far to the south.

    Meteorologists say that this is at its strongest for at least 60 years.

    As a result, the jetstream – the high-altitude wind that circles the globe from west to east and normally pushes a series of wet but mild Atlantic lows across Britain – is currently running not over the English Channel but the Strait of Gibraltar.

    However, according to Prof Latif and his colleagues, this in turn relates to much longer-term shifts – what are known as the Pacific and Atlantic ‘multi-decadal oscillations’ (MDOs).

    For Europe, the crucial factor here is the temperature of the water in the middle of the North Atlantic, now several degrees below its average when the world was still warming.

    But the effects are not confined to the Northern Hemisphere. Prof Anastasios Tsonis, head of the University of Wisconsin Atmospheric Sciences Group, has recently shown that these MDOs move together in a synchronised way across the globe, abruptly flipping the world’s climate from a ‘warm mode’ to a ‘cold mode’ and back again in 20 to 30-year cycles.

    'They amount to massive rearrangements in the dominant patterns of the weather,’ he said yesterday, ‘and their shifts explain all the major changes in world temperatures during the 20th and 21st Centuries.

    'We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 or 30 years of cooler temperatures.’

    Prof Tsonis said that the period from 1915 to 1940 saw a strong warm mode, reflected in rising temperatures.

    But from 1940 until the late Seventies, the last MDO cold-mode era, the world cooled, despite the fact that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere continued to rise.

    Many of the consequences of the recent warm mode were also observed 90 years ago.

    For example, in 1922, the Washington Post reported that Greenland’s glaciers were fast disappearing, while Arctic seals were ‘finding the water too hot’.

    It interviewed a Captain Martin Ingebrigsten, who had been sailing the eastern Arctic for 54 years: ‘He says that he first noted warmer conditions in 1918, and since that time it has gotten steadily warmer.

    'Where formerly great masses of ice were found, there are now moraines, accumulations of earth and stones. At many points where glaciers formerly extended into the sea they have entirely disappeared.’

    As a result, the shoals of fish that used to live in these waters had vanished, while the sea ice beyond the north coast of Spitsbergen in the Arctic Ocean had melted.

    Warm Gulf Stream water was still detectable within a few hundred miles of the Pole.
    In contrast, Prof Tsonis said, last week 56 per cent of the surface of the United States was covered by snow.

    ‘That hasn’t happened for several decades,’ he pointed out. ‘It just isn’t true to say this is a blip. We can expect colder winters for quite a while.’

    He recalled that towards the end of the last cold mode, the world’s media were preoccupied by fears of freezing.

    For example, in 1974, a Time magazine cover story predicted ‘Another Ice Age’, saying: ‘Man may be somewhat responsible – as a result of farming and fuel burning [which is] blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the Earth.’

    Prof Tsonis said: ‘Perhaps we will see talk of an ice age again by the early 2030s, just as the MDOs shift once more and temperatures begin to rise.’

    Like Prof Latif, Prof Tsonis is not a climate change ‘denier’. There is, he said, a measure of additional ‘background’ warming due to human activity and greenhouse gases that runs across the MDO cycles.

    But he added: ‘I do not believe in catastrophe theories. Man-made warming is balanced by the natural cycles, and I do not trust the computer models which state that if CO2 reaches a particular level then temperatures and sea levels will rise by a given amount.

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    I could realy use some of Al Gore's Global Warming here in NJ... Im freezing my a$$ off!

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    I don't remember any of that stuff in the first "Ice Age" movie.

    M_P

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    We must be the only place on earth that is having a warmer then normal winter. Not that I'm complaining. The last two we had record breaking snow fall.

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    I wish Al Gore and his doom-and-gloom crowd would make my mind up already. Which one is it I should be preparing for, "Global Warming", "Climate Change", or "The New Ice Age"?
    We must not believe the Evil One when he tells us that there is nothing we can do in the face of violence, injustice and sin. - Pope Francis I

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    We must be the only place on earth that is having a warmer then normal winter. Not that I'm complaining. The last two we had record breaking snow fall.
    been warm and DRY here on the other side of the hills.. although we did have that two straight weeks under 32 last month- that pretty much sucked dick, but at least it was bone dry. december in NW oregon is usually very, very wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    I wish Al Gore and his doom-and-gloom crowd would make my mind up already. Which one is it I should be preparing for, "Global Warming", "Climate Change", or "The New Ice Age"?
    The phrase has always been "climate change." What do you think the last two letters of the IPCC stand for? Warming is part of that climate change and "global warming" is an easy catchphrase for the media.

    You should not prepare for "the new ice age," because nothing of the sort is going to occur. The scientific consensus steadfastly holds to the data as we know it - global temperatures will continue to warm far out of the norm.

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    I've about had it with doom and gloom crap from people that think they can make me live in fear.
    NOT in training for combat deployment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy196 View Post
    I've about had it with doom and gloom crap from people that think they can make me live in fear.
    Ironically, "living in fear" is precisely how a number of liberal and progressive people I know think of carrying a concealed weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milosz View Post
    You should not prepare for "the new ice age," because nothing of the sort is going to occur. The political consensus steadfastly holds to the data as we know it - global temperatures will continue to warm far out of the norm.
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