Check your Trijicon for bible verses

Originally Posted by Submariner

Where is the new "chart" created explaining which ACOGs have which reticle type; barrel length the BDC, if any, is calibrated for; whether it utilizes BAC; weight; and which Bible verse is inscribed upon it.

This will bring traffic to your site!

Great post, that damn M4 chart is what brought me over here from a BMW forum
It was a big help and this sight is one of the most informative that I have seen.

Jan 19, 2010. http://www.military.com/news/article...tml?ESRC=eb.nl

Notwithstanding two administrations' avowals that American forces are not in Iraq or Afghanistan as part of some "Holy War," a manufacturer's penchant for putting New Testament references on rifle scopes is once again raising concerns about religious symbols finding their way into the U.S. military mission in those countries.

An Army spokesman told Military.com that senior officials are looking into the matter, but he was not able to say what might be done about it. Meanwhile, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command was quoted by The Associated Press as saying there is nothing wrong or illegal with the biblical inscriptions appearing on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight.

"This situation is not unlike the situation with U.S. currency," Maj. John Redfield is quoted as saying. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."

Trijicon Corp. of Michigan, which makes the scopes, defends the inscriptions. One inscription, "JN 8:12," refers to "John chapter 8 verse 12." That Bible passage reads: "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

In an email statement to Military.com, a spokesman said: "As part of our faith and our belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades. As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation."

Army Lt. Col. Christopher Garver told Military.com that the Army was "not aware that those markings meant what they did at the time of the contract for the purchase of those scopes." Garver said the Army tracks scopes by a national stock number and a line number.

"So whatever the manufacturer's markings are, we don't track the scopes that way," he said.

The Army only learned of the biblical references last week, when contacted by ABC News, Garver said. ABC ran a report on the scopes last night on its "Nightline" news program.

Mikey Weinstein, who heads up the watchdog group Military Religious Freedom Foundation, called the inscriptions "horrible," particularly for the increased danger to American troops. Weinstein says the inscriptions also violate the general order against proselytizing issued by Army Gen. Tommy Franks in the opening days of the war in Afghanistan, as well as the U.S. Constitution (and the laws of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan).

"As a practical matter I would have to ask, is there anything else our military can possible do to serve as a lubricant or accelerant for already-pissed-off-at-America young Islamic men and women in Morocco, Jordan, Syria, Egypt … who might want to come and join the cause, join the Taliban, al-Qaida?"

Weinstein provided Military.com with an email he said he received from a young enlisted Soldier – a Muslim American – who has had multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. According to the email, which Weinstein redacted to keep the Soldier anonymous, troops in the field are "worried that if they were captured in combat that the enemy would use the bible quotes against them in captivity or some other form of propaganda.

"As an American Soldier I am ashamed that those bible quotes are on our primary weapons," the email reads. "As a Muslim American I am horrified. As one who swore his oath to the Constitution, I am driven to fight this Christian insanity but I know if I try to do so in a visible way that I will suffer at the hands of my military superiors."

"Having had a son in the Marine Corps who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq I am deeply resentful of the stupidity of the manufacturers of a gun sight putting New Testament bible versus about Jesus Christ on that sight, thereby endangering the lives of our U.S. personnel worldwide," said Frank Schaeffer, Military.com columnist, author, and self-described one-time member of the "religious right."

Schaeffer said the scopes may spawn further terrorist attacks against the U.S. by lending credence to the belief that America "is on a crusade" in Muslim countries.

"They wrap themselves in the flag and talk about supplying the troops, but they've essentially booby-trapped the weapons they're selling" to the military, said Schaeffer, whose most recent book is "Patience with God: Faith for People Who Don't Like Religion (or Atheism)."

According to reports, the company currently has a $660 million contract to supply up to 800,000 of the scopes to military.

You can not trust the Islamist in the military now! Kuwait and Fort Hood!!!!

Schaeffer said the scopes may spawn further terrorist attacks against the U.S. by lending credence to the belief that America "is on a crusade" in Muslim countries.

i really don't think they're holding anything back. any attacks that don't occur don't occur because they're not possible, not because some sheikh asshole says, "no, not today, young mujahad."

you can't make them hate us more.. thats stupid.

Bible verse references have been on ACOGs for years guys. It's nothing new. I'm glad that Trijicon has the guts to do it, and show their faith, and what they stand for and believe in.
UNFORTUNATELY, I just saw this story hit CNN today. 5 minutes ago actually. I never watch lamo CNN news either. I just happened to flip the channel when I got home a few minutes ago, and I saw an M4 and ACOG pic on CNN, and the story was about all sorts of anti Christian groups complaining about the verses on the ACOGs our soldiers carry.
Guess they FORGOT this nation was founded on Christianity, and is the sole reason we have always been the most powerful nation in the world, and the most blessed nation in the world.
As we all know however, this will eventually come to an end as we get further and further from God and continue to strike him from every aspect of our lives and teachings. It's already begun.
Sad but true.


If this becomes an issue for Trijicon and their Mil contracts I HOPE Trijicon stands their ground and tells the U.S. Army and the government to either deal with it, or go find another optic.

+1 what Razorhunter just said. I beleive that God made this country great and hopefully we as a nation get back to our old christian beleifs before it is too late. Just my baptist opinion.

Originally Posted by Razorhunter

Guess they FORGOT this nation was founded on Christianity, and is the sole reason we have always been the most powerful nation in the world, and the most blessed nation in the world.
As we all know however, this will eventually come to an end as we get further and further from God and continue to strike him from every aspect of our lives and teachings. It's already begun.
Sad but true.

This post if completely ****ing ridiculous.

It was the actions of fine men and women, Americans, who made this country great. Yes some of them may have been inspired by a higher power, some maybe not.

However saying the only reason why this country is what it is is solely because of god is the ****ing stupidest and most disrespectful and ignorant thing I have ever seen in my life.

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Originally Posted by decodeddiesel

This post if completely ****ing ridiculous.

It was the actions of fine men and women, Americans, who made this country great. Yes some of them may have been inspired by a higher power, some maybe not.

However saying the only reason why this country is what it is is solely because of god is the ****ing stupidest and most disrespectful and ignorant thing I have ever seen in my life.

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+1, I didn't even have the stomach to respond to such foolishness. Bunch of idiots arguing over whose invisible friend is better than the other's.

Originally Posted by decodeddiesel

This post if completely ****ing ridiculous.

It was the actions of fine men and women, Americans, who made this country great. Yes some of them may have been inspired by a higher power, some maybe not.

However saying the only reason why this country is what it is is solely because of god is the ****ing stupidest and most disrespectful and ignorant thing I have ever seen in my life.

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I agree! God's hand was definitly absent in a lot of the stuff we've done to make this country what it is. That's why it's been sliding for the last 50yrs. With the media and mass communication we can't get away with the shit we used to pull.

on that note,, **** yeah I like the scripture on these scopes and am thinking about contcting them to see if I buy one with Psalm 23:4, John 3:16 on them.

This entire shitstorm has been brewed up by a couple of lone malcontents and ABC jumped on the bandwagon at full throttle. ABC, Weinstein and Schaeffer aren't worthy to lick the sweat off Trijicon employee's balls. That they have the audacity to claim some moral superiority and whine about some "safety" issue for our troops is nuts.

If anything, they're gift wrapping another PR tool for the radical Islamists to rally around. At best they're stupid. At worst they're traitors.