AAR: Vickers Tactical Handgun, Los Angeles 16-17 Jan 2010

[John_Wayne777]

Great AAR...it really captures the essence of a Vickers pistol class.

Mr. Vickers is, in my mind, one of the premier pistol instructors on the planet. One of his pistol classes will change the way you shoot forever.

[wrs3d]

Excellent AAR, and looking forward to the pics.

Some quick shots taken with iphone. Others had real cameras and will be able to provide more and better pics.

Trigger Control



LAV with AIs Buck and Chen



Adjusting Grip



Ball & Dummy Drill



Slide lock reload



Timed Fire



Team on the Timer



Firing Line



On the Move



LAV Reacting to a Problematic Team......

[SMGLee]

Bill,

To add information to your post, I asked Buck and Larry about that Glock 22 malfunction that Robert had. They said that what's happening, and what has been proven by high speed camera studies, is the Glock 22, 23, and 27 slides are too light. They were 9mm actions that were adapted to .40 S&W and the slides are too light leading to high slide velocities. When fired without a light attached, the frames are flexing so much that the frame rails are causing contact friction with the slide which slows the slide down and it works. When you attach a light, the light attached to the frame rail stiffens the frame up enough so that friction from frame flexing isn't there and the slides have excessive velocity leading to failures to feed. Buck said LAPD's experience was that some Glocks worked with lights, some didn't, and you can't predict which ones will work and which ones won't, so the answer for their department is don't run them with lights. The exception to this is they said is the Glock 35, which was designed around the .40 cartridge and will run well with and without a light.

Actually the G35 is just a extended G22, with the same internals, but the added weight of the longer slide made the gun more suitable for the higher power of the 40SW. I had a trigger pin crack and break in my G35 awhile back, although G35 is a great gun, i am still not as comfortable with it as I am with the SW M&P40 which was initially designed as a 40SW instead of Glock moving the 9mm, to the 40SW.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Dr. Bill,

Great AAR, brother! Glad to see you're still hanging in there on the training journey.

Wayne

[VA_Dinger]

Vickers Tactical / Grey Group Training is very proud that the class went so well. Larry was very pleased with the students. Great group of guys and very eager to learn.

Special thanks to Buck, Chen, and Sarah for helping to make this class a success.

Thanks guys.



www.vickerstactical.com



Grey Group Training:
www.greygrouptraining.com

Please come back and train with us again at our 2nd California class scheduled for this year;

TigerSwan 2-Day Tactical Carbine Course - Los Angeles, CA - April 17-18, 2010

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=39036

[esskay]

I'll get pictures to you today or tomorrow.

Got M1Match's pics and am posting some up here:

[esskay]

More pics from M1Match:

[M4arc]

Great AAR and pics!

[Shawn.L]

great AAR, really shows that you paid attention.

now...... ya gotta practice all that stuff.

I really like that LAV is teaching to reset during recoil. I was taught to reset after the sights come back down, Ive been trying to relearn and its a hard habit to break. good stuff.

[m4fun]

I agree - great AAR - pics almost seem like Templar was there.