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Thread: Tango Down's new Stubby VG!

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    Army Chief,
    Actually they didn't anticipate a market. The Irish VFG was user driven, by a particular organization that found it useful for their breaching guns.
    They did the initial chopping/ gluing.
    When thet showed it to Jeff Cahill he mod'd existing ones for that contract.
    Eventually he will have a new mold, but for now it is cut and glue.

    I don't choke the chicken, and have been teaching the high hand hold for a few days, so this fits the doctrine.
    It is a compromise. You lose space (i keep a complete bolt in there) for a shorter grip. While less likely to catch on anything, that ammunition feed device hangs lower then the chubby.
    It is an option- nothing more, nothing less.
    Just my $2.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    I don't care to admit to choking the chicken in a public forum, but clearly, that is where my, uh, conceptual problem lies.

    Truthfully, your explanation makes perfect sense. Just need to employ a slightly different holding grip, which makes this a relatively simple training issue. Thanks!
    Chief,

    Third picture from the bottom of page 1 of the linked thread shows the stubby in use under experienced instruction. Actually, several pictures in that thread illustrate various holds on VFGs.

    http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=36422&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

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    Gee- those images look familiar..
    Oh yeah, i made those pictures. No wonder.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Truthfully, your explanation makes perfect sense. Just need to employ a slightly different holding grip, which makes this a relatively simple training issue. Thanks!
    I like the non-chicken grip because I also like to hold the front of the magwell. Works out to the same grip, and keeps my lights mounted on the support side of the rail.

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    Chief/Pat, Mark, Rob,

    Sounds like somebody needs to take a carbine class if/when he ever gets back to CONUS. I've been packing M9s just long enough to have forgotten most of what I once knew about all-things AR. The last time I carried one in anything approaching anger, the rifle was an M-16A1, and I was wearing the Army's "brand new" woodland Battle Dress Uniform. Times have changed slightly since.

    Much obliged for the background information, operational insights, and (even better) the follow-up leads. Will do my research from this point on, rather than ask too many more 101 level questions, and pick up on the tactical end of things over at 10-8.

    Chief

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    Chief (i'll broadly assume CWO?)
    Ask questions. If not on a board, e mail me. There is a lot to learn, and i do a whole bunch of that every day...

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    Pat,

    CWO4; albeit a helo driver and (currently) non-practicing paratrooper, as my infantry days are well behind me now.

    Much appreciate the gracious response. It goes without saying that your reputation precedes you here, and elsewhere, so I'm more than a little appreciative of your willingness to engage.

    For the moment, my knowledge of rail systems -- and no BS employment of same -- is still more academic than practical, so I'm playing a bit of catch-up. I'm not one to accept that reading can replace range time, but it's clearly not a bad place to start.

    As I have occasion to voice an intelligible question or two, you can be sure that I'll be raising them along the way.

    Thanks for what you've done.

    Thanks for what you do.

    Chief

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat_Rogers View Post
    Gee- those images look familiar..
    Oh yeah, i made those pictures. No wonder.....
    Pat, I hope you don't mind me referring people to threads like that.

    The first I heard of the stubby TD was in that 10-8 AAR of yours. Short of actual training, I figured a thread showing different techniques of good shooters under good instruction was a good place to start learning about use of the new product.

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    Now Pat, thems some good pics and the first one in the 10-8 thread shows the guy in the foreground squeezing the Pullet while everone behind him is using the high hand hold.

    Worth a thousand words.

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    Chief- thanks for the kind words- i truly appreciate them!

    Matk- no problem at all. I was just trying to exercise my "caustic wit"...
    I have no problems with that and the reason we used to post images with the AAR's on that site was to make it easier for people to see- and therfore understand- what is and isn't.

    Heavy metal- and thank you too!!

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