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    You wouldn't go wrong with either one. If you think you might resale your BCM upper/barrel in the future then the hammer forged one may bring a few bucks more.
    IIRC Pat Rogers has a non hammer forged barrel with 26K+ that's shooting less than 1" at 50yds with an 2MOA Aimpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonshot View Post
    Correct, I'm not talking about the stripped barrel.

    Gotm4 - I understand it's a top end barrel - perhaps the best hammer forged barrel available to me. What I am wondering about is do I need one?

    I don't think I'll ever be able to appreciate the improved accuracy potential of this barrel over my current non-hammer forged BCM barrel, but I don't know. Currently, I do not have an RDS - I just use irons. Hopefully, that will change soon, but who knows?

    I also don't think I'll ever be able to shoot out any barrel. I have a round limiter called lack of discretionary funds. However, if the hammer forged barrel offers other durability improvements beyond increased round count, that may be something I can use.

    The cost difference between uppers is not great, but $100 is still $100.

    The consensus seems to be not worth it, but I am still confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perna View Post
    Nice concept but when I feel the need to own 2 of everything, let alone try to carry two of everything, I will be broke and have a back problem from carrying all the extra weight.
    You dont get it.

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    If you can’t think of a need for something then you probably don’t need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonshot View Post
    Correct, I'm not talking about the stripped barrel.

    Gotm4 - I understand it's a top end barrel - perhaps the best hammer forged barrel available to me. What I am wondering about is do I need one?

    I don't think I'll ever be able to appreciate the improved accuracy potential of this barrel over my current non-hammer forged BCM barrel, but I don't know. Currently, I do not have an RDS - I just use irons. Hopefully, that will change soon, but who knows?

    I also don't think I'll ever be able to shoot out any barrel. I have a round limiter called lack of discretionary funds. However, if the hammer forged barrel offers other durability improvements beyond increased round count, that may be something I can use.

    The cost difference between uppers is not great, but $100 is still $100.

    The consensus seems to be not worth it, but I am still confused.
    You didn't originally mention that you don't have an optic on your gun(s). I would save the $100 difference and use it towards an Aimpoint. You will get far more use out of an Aimpoint than the difference between a regular and hammer forged barrel.

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    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonshot View Post
    I'm sure this has been addressed somewhere on this forum, but my search did not turn up what I wanted.

    I have a BCM 16" middy, and I'm looking at adding another. Now I see I have a choice - the same as I bought before or, for an additional $100, I can get a cold hammer forged barrel.

    I'm no expert, but I've always heard this production method was superior, but that is in pistols. I know even less about rifles.

    What do I gain with this barrel? I've read of increased accuracy, but I'm not good enough (yet) to realize the full potential of my existing BCM rifle. I've also heard of longer barrel life, but I doubt I can afford to shoot out the barrel I have now.

    I don't need the best on the block, but it's only $100 (on the other hand, $100 would buy a few more mags, or a CTR stock).

    What's the consensus?
    Well, I must have been an Egyptian in a prior life because I want everything to last my lifetime and then some including things like underwear, T-shirts, socks, pants, brass and ink pens. I shit you not.

    I don't know about the accuracy issue and it's so dependent on so many other things that I don't have my mind completely around that I don't comment much about it. Call and/or e-mail Mike Rock or Rock Creek Barrels and John Noveske to see what they believe. Mike Rock is a degreed METALLURGIST so I'd value his opinion on his worst day above all others - including my anecdotal evidence/comments on their best. That said, many make excellent barrels and their products speak for themselves. It's the "WHYS" that Rock excels at and I love him for it. He's brilliant and could easily be a Professor of Metallurgy at University of Wisconsin. Or anywhere else.

    Okay, back on topic. I'd opt for the CHF since it's surface is harder and tougher as it's been cold worked - being literally hammered into near final shape by 100 plus ton forges on a mandrel. It should resist throat erosion a bit better than cut rifling for this reason and to make it "ultimate" I'd like it Fluidized Bed Nitrocarburized. But that's just me.

    You're absolutely correct about shooting out a hard chrome lined barrel (and a stainless one, too) if you shoot it like 99.9% of educated/learned rifle owners shoot. It's truly your call and your coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    being literally hammered into near final shape by 100 plus ton forges on a mandrel.

    I've always wondered how difficult the mandrel is to remove from the bbl after the hammering was complete . I don't know the proccess...maybe I'm not envisioning this correctly.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Artos View Post
    I've always wondered how difficult the mandrel is to remove from the bbl after the hammering was complete . I don't know the proccess...maybe I'm not envisioning this correctly.





    sorry to hijack

    Not a hijack at all, Artos. Since the rifling is constant it can be turned off though it should be tight but not overly so. I didn't make it to SHOT this year as I wished to sit and discuss this matter (and others) with Steyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Not a hijack at all, Artos. Since the rifling is constant it can be turned off though it should be tight but not overly so. I didn't make it to SHOT this year as I wished to sit and discuss this matter (and others) with Steyr.

    Do you know if the mandral runs the entire length of the bbl blank or is it fairly short and advanced during 'hammer time'??

    rifling methods have always been pretty cool to me but never really understood the skinny with hf. Broach and button are pretty easy to grasp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artos View Post
    Do you know if the mandral runs the entire length of the bbl blank or is it fairly short and advanced during 'hammer time'??

    rifling methods have always been pretty cool to me but never really understood the skinny with hf. Broach and button are pretty easy to grasp.
    Pretty good right up on hammer forged barrels.
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    Last edited by Thomas M-4; 01-25-10 at 11:48.

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