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Thread: ARES & Bushmaster gas pistons comparison

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    This does not bode well. I took the kit off my carbine last night, and found out that the op rod was bent on the piston end (as with gotm4's). Also, the roll pin was "crimped" so much that it just fell out of the FSB hole.

    I am not looking forward to having to deal with Ares. I wonder if I can get a refund so that I can wash my hands off the whole thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuicideHz View Post
    Are these ARES piston systems really taking off or what? I thought it would never happen, but then again, look at what I had to base that off of- #1 a shitty website and #2 a pretty complicated upper...
    My current recommendation is that you run away as fast and as far away as you can from these piece-of-dog-doo-doo so-called "product". YMMV.
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    WELL... Im not just going to run away from it. I enjoy a good challenge, Ill find the cure it'll just take some time and some effort. Im drilling a much larger hole and installing a larger pin today. the next step (if my op-rod bends) is to make a new op-rod that is larger in diameter. Working on them is just as fun as shooting them to me.

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    They'll be an oddity that interests people in about 7 years. A "has been" that still piques interests and starts conversations...

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    I wish I had the machinery to do my own repairs on this thing.

    Good luck!!
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    I know this isnt a gunsmithing thread but,

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    I wish I had the machinery to do my own repairs on this thing.

    Good luck!!
    You are one of the few people who has replied like that. They are an investment, but holysh*t the possibilities are endless. I currently use a heavily improvised drill press for a mill and a 13 x 40 lathe. There are many other tools I use (for custom gun work), but those are the meat and potatos.

    BTW- 3-in-1 machines are plenty good enough for custom gun work. If I had the funds I would buy one.

    Some machine companies;
    Smithy
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    and so on...

    OK, back to the guns.

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    On that other sight this morning someone mentioned that Ares is re-doing the specs on the system (beefing up threading, heat treating, doing away with the spring that goes inside the FSB, closing off gas to the roll pin, etc.) and that when they are "caught up" a RECALL will be issued.


    Now, in fairness I haven't had a problem with the two kits I have installed, so far at least. And I will comply with a recall for an updated product. BUT, given the hit-or-miss ability to get ahold of anyone at Ares (by phone OR email) it would feel like sending the kits off into a void. I will not particularly look forward to that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    On that other sight this morning someone mentioned that Ares is re-doing the specs on the system (beefing up threading, heat treating, doing away with the spring that goes inside the FSB, closing off gas to the roll pin, etc.) and that when they are "caught up" a RECALL will be issued.


    Now, in fairness I haven't had a problem with the two kits I have installed, so far at least. And I will comply with a recall for an updated product. BUT, given the hit-or-miss ability to get ahold of anyone at Ares (by phone OR email) it would feel like sending the kits off into a void. I will not particularly look forward to that day.
    What sight is that ?? If this is true, Ive made an upgrade to my spigot tube. I wonder if this would void my ability for recall replacement.

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    Nevermind, I made a call and got the skinny about whats goin on with that. Your right there is going to be a recall, There is for sure a couple issues that are going to be taken care of. For those of you with bent rods, I guess theres going to be a fix for that. Among other things.

    With this being true, I think theres something to be said about a company that stands behind their product like this. Alot of testing took place before this product hit the market, but its virtually impossible to test for every situation. Fielding it has brought out more issues and there willing to fix them.

    So, like it if you want or hate it if you want, I dont care. I believe this is an excellent concept and when it is perfected there will be no issues, theoretically.

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    Unfortunately, I'm out $400 for a "kit" that I cannot use until they fix the problem.

    But I really can't blame anyone for this but myself - I knew it would be a gamble and there's a reason I don't visit Las Vegas or Atlantic City with any great regularity.

    Plus, I also learned a lot about the strenghts and weaknesses of the gas piston versus the DI system. Years before I first heard about H&K came out with their version of this (they were the first one I heard of doing this for the AR-15 rifles), I was wondering why nobody had tried to make a gas piston kit like Ares did. Now I know why.

    The points of failure in a gas piston system is a lot higher than a DI system. Eugene Stoner (God bless his soul) was not an idiot and I see why he chose not to use pistons as was the norm back then.

    I think I'll wait a few more years before I look into this system again. Myabe by then not only will these kits be perfected, they will be more affordable.

    But for my current requirements, cleaning a DI system regularly is acceptible. BTW, the last time I cleaned my Bushy 16-inch CAR-15 was a couple o thousand rounds ago. The use of good, quality ammunition seems to make this possible. YMMV.
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