Sources of III armor for civilians

[YVK]

I have been thinking of body armor for a long time. The main, and probably only reason, is personal safety during training and on public ranges, where muzzle discipline is questionable. Since I attend carbine classes where I see people use "green tip" or its variants, primarily 62 gr PRVI loads, I figured that the easiest all-encompassing solution would be proven quality standalone level III plates.

Thanks to DocGKR post here https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=32839 the information "what to get" is clear. PPI 10x12” triple-curve Level III/IV ICW IIIa model 2518 (2518), PPI 10.5x13.5” triple-curve size large model 10008L “ESAPI Surrogate” (10008), AMI TAC3S plates, or MSA/Paraclete (MSA) DHP3-1012 (cat #10098941) triple curve should work for intended purposes. The problem is "where". PPI or AMI don't list civilian sales on their websites. MSA is sold by Grey Group, except I don't see above mentioned MSA plates on Grey Groups or MSA websites.

I wonder if anybody has suggestions to either where to look for above armor or what other options are out there.

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[DocGKR]

You may have some confusion--level IIIa armor is generally soft concealable panels to stop pistol ammunition. Level III armor is generally hard plates to stop rifle projectiles.

There are quite a few qualified vendors that sell such products--often you have to CALL the vendor rather than rely strictly on internet advertising.

[YVK]

Thank you for advice, and I stand corrected on level III vs. IIIa. It actually wasn't making sense to me when I typed it, as I had just read your post on soft IIIa armor, but as it often happens in life, there was no time to pause and think.

[DocGKR]

Feel free to use the "Edit" feature...

[Gewehr3]

You may want to try bulletproofme.com or Tacticalreponsegear.com

[NavyDavy55]

I think I'd just find a new range to shoot at where muzzle discipline is NOT questionable.

[YVK]

CC4me: it is a rhetorical option. I have not seen blatant violations, but sometimes stuff happens that makes me wonder. Besides, I can't possibly see everything around. There are only two indoor ranges that are available to me and both allow AR-15, SMGs and rent them out, unfortunately, to a complete newbs with very little instruction given by range staff. This is a topic for separate discussion, however.

Gewehr: thanks for suggestion. TRG has no armor in stock. Bulletproofme doesn't list the manufacturers, so no-go for me. I think DocGKR's suggestion is probably the best one, and I'll call around. Of interest, I tried to email DefenseTech last night and it came back undeliverable. Hope that they are in business, as their updated plate appears to be a good option too.

[billclodude]

I can say that Greygroup training will sell to civilians, as will PPI (I have some of their all-Twaron 3-a armor).

You can also buy it from Gearzoneproducts.com

[rob_s]

I went through similar things, and I think that a combination of concealable soft armor and the option to up-armor with plates is the best solution.

Make Holes, Prevent Holes, Patch Holes

I strongly recommend Grey Group for your armor needs as they will listen to what you want to do, and then offer advice and solutions that fit your needs and budget.

[RyanS]

I went through similar things, and I think that a combination of concealable soft armor and the option to up-armor with plates is the best solution.

Make Holes, Prevent Holes, Patch Holes

I strongly recommend Grey Group for your armor needs as they will listen to what you want to do, and then offer advice and solutions that fit your needs and budget.

Rob,

I've been looking for a carrier in which I could incorporate my soft armor with plates, and some gear, rather than have a seperate carrier for my soft armor, a seperate carrier for plates, and a then a chest rig. If this vest would have had MOLLE attach points, it would have been the one.

I might have missed it, but how is the soft armor retained and positioned within the vest?