Can you compare modern Islam to inquisition era Christianity?

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I only ask because I know that this forum is full if righty Christians. Being raise Catholic, I cant help but compare today’s Muslims to yesteryears inquisition Christians, what do you guys think? Can Islam go thru the same reform that Christianity went thru, or are they a lost cause that should be wiped off the face of the earth?

Keep in mind that Christians are still terrorists. They like to bomb abortion clinics. Is that any better than those POS Muslims killing our young men and women in the sandbox?

What if they’re just behind the times and barely realizing modernism? Have Muslims killed as many people as the Roman Catholic Church?

On a deeper note, why are you a right winger? Personally I am only a conservative because they stand up for the 2Nd amendment and their view of self reliance. I hate people that want everything handed to them.

The difference is how many "Christian bombings' have there been in the last 27 years Vs how many Muslim bombings? Please don't be coy with your answer.

You did not ask how many people where killed by muslims Vs the Catholic Church. What about the years of muslim expansion and the tip of the sword?

And lastly your statement about Christians (as in all of them) being terrorists is sophomoric at best.

[Linea_de_Fuego]

Originally Posted by Anthony Jacob

Keep in mind that Christians are still terrorists. They like to bomb abortion clinics. Is that any better than those POS Muslims killing our young men and women in the sandbox?

I can't say if these people are Christians, but clearly their acts are misguided. While we Christians do not always behave the way we should we do know where to go for forgiveness.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This is really poignant now at Easter because we have a risen Savior. Since you have a Roman Catholic history, I would ask you do you have a personal relationship with the Lord or is your relationship with the Catholic Church? There is a BIG difference.

The Koran and the life of Mohammed in no way compares to the Creator of the universe and the Bible. Here are a couple Proverbs for you.

Prov 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Prov 13:16 NLT Wise people think before they act; fools don't and even brag about it!

and lastly, James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

[FJB]

I only ask because I know that this forum is full if righty Christians. Being raise Catholic, I cant help but compare today’s Muslims to yesteryears inquisition Christians, what do you guys think? Can Islam go thru the same reform that Christianity went thru, or are they a lost cause that should be wiped off the face of the earth?

Keep in mind that Christians are still terrorists. They like to bomb abortion clinics. Is that any better than those POS Muslims killing our young men and women in the sandbox?

What if they’re just behind the times and barely realizing modernism? Have Muslims killed as many people as the Roman Catholic Church?

On a deeper note, why are you a right winger? Personally I am only a conservative because they stand up for the 2Nd amendment and their view of self reliance. I hate people that want everything handed to them.

As many have already started jumping on you I wasn't going to respond, but several of your conjectures have not been given a proper response. Thus, let's first put the inquistions into proper context as they have often been grossly misrepresented. An example is the Spanish Inquistion:

The Spanish Inquisition followed the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors (Muslims). Much of the Iberian Peninsula was dominated by Moors following their invasion of the peninsula in 711 until they were expelled by means of a long campaign of reconquest. However, the reconquest did not result in the full expulsion of Muslims from Spain, but instead yielded a multi-religious society made up of Catholics, Jews and Muslims. Granada to the south, in particular remained under Moorish control until 1492, and large cities, especially Seville, Valladolid, and Barcelona, had large Jewish populations centred in Juderías.

The reconquest produced a relatively peaceful co-existence - although not without periodic conflicts - among Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the peninsula's kingdoms. There was a long tradition of Jewish service to the crown of Aragon. Ferdinand's father John II named the Jewish Abiathar Crescas to be Court Astronomer.

The Inquisition did not specifically target Jewish conversos and Protestants, but the moriscos, converts to Catholicism from Islam. Many moriscos continued to practice Islam in secret. Initially they were not severely persecuted, but experienced a policy of peaceful evangelization. In the second half of the century, late in the reign of Philip II, things changed. The 1568-1570 Morisco Revolt in Granada was harshly suppressed, and the Inquisition intensified its attention to the moriscos.

Because you seem to lack education in the Roman Catholic (Latin for universal) Christian faith I refer you to http://www.scripturecatholic.com/ for more answers.


Church Year Established Founder Where Established

Catholic 33 Jesus Christ Jerusalem

Orthodox 1054 Schismatic Catholic
Bishops Constantinople

Lutheran 1517 Martin Luther Germany

Anabaptist 1521 Nicholas Storch &
Thomas Munzer Germany

Anglican 1534 Henry VIII England

Mennonites 1536 Menno Simons Switzerland

Calvinist 1555 John Calvin Switzerland

Presbyterian 1560 John Knox Scotland

Congregational 1582 Robert Brown Holland

Baptist 1609 John Smyth Amsterdam

Dutch Reformed 1628 Michaelis Jones New York

Congregationalist 1648 Pilgrims and Puritans Massachusetts

Quakers 1649 George Fox England

Amish 1693 Jacob Amman France

Freemasons 1717 Masons from four lodges London

Methodist 1739 John & Charles
Wesley England

Unitarian 1774 Theophilus Lindey London

Methodist Episcopal 1784 60 Preachers Baltimore, MD

Episcopalian 1789 Samuel Seabury American Colonies

United Brethren 1800 Philip Otterbein &
Martin Boehn Maryland

Disciples of Christ 1827 Thomas & Alexander
Campbell Kentucky

Mormon 1830 Joseph Smith New York

Methodist Protestant 1830 Methodist United States

Church of Christ 1836 Warren Stone &
Alexander Campbell Kentucky

Seventh Day Adventist 1844 Ellen White Washington, NH

Christadelphian (Brethren
of Christ 1844 John Thomas Richmond, VA

Salvation Army 1865 William Booth London

Holiness 1867 Methodist United States

Jehovah's Witnesses 1874 Charles Taze Russell Pennsylvania

Christian Science 1879 Mary Baker Eddy Boston

Church of God in Christ 1895 Various churches of God Arkansas

Church of Nazarene c. 1850-1900 Various religious bodies Pilot Point, TX

Pentecostal 1901 Charles F. Parkham Topeka, KS

Aglipayan 1902 Gregorio Aglipay Philippines

Assemblies of God 1914 Pentecostalism Hot Springs, AZ

Iglesia ni Christo 1914 Felix Manalo Philippines

Four-square Gospel 1917 Aimee Semple
McPherson Los Angeles, CA

United Church of Christ 1961 Reformed and
Congregationalist Philadelphia, PA

Calvary Chapel 1965 Chuck Smith Costa Mesa, CA

United Methodist 1968 Methodist and United
Brethren Dallas, TX

Born-again c. 1970s Various religious bodies United States

Harvest Christian 1972 Greg Laurie Riverside, CA

Saddleback 1982 Rick Warren California

Non-denominational c. 1990s various United States

[Army Chief]

Anthony,

Whether it is because of our Judeo-Christian ethics, our western values, or our obvious cultural differences, it is a fairly easy thing for most Americans to recognize the threats posed by the increasingly-militant forms of Islam around the world. What is probably less simple is sorting through our own hearts and minds and coming to a place where we know what we truly believe for ourselves. I'm guessing you have some unanswered questions -- or, at the very least, some lingering confusion -- on that account, based upon what you've said to this point.

I'm not comfortable using M4CN as a springboard for advancing any particular religious message, but if you're considering some of the broader and more relevant issues surrounding Christianity, you might consider picking up a copy of the book Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. Lewis gave a series of radio talks to the British people on the subject of the Christian faith during the Battle of Britain (WWII), and this classic, 101-level primer was derived from direct transcriptions of these talks. It is an excellent and easy-to-read treatise on the core beliefs that are common to nearly all Christians in all places. More to the point, it is extremely helpful in presenting a logical, rational defense --- and understanding -- of a faith that we as Americans all-too-often profess, and all-too-rarely model.

Chief

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I just read and article by Norman Friedman(sp?) who made the case that Islam is undergoing a civil war, and we're getting caught in the cross fire.

I'll see about posting parts of it.

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I guess he has no answers for all of our reasonable questions and replies.......

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I guess he has no answers for all of our reasonable questions and replies.......

I thought this tread was locked.

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[Low Drag]

Great point, One of Which I have thought of many times. Simply living in the real world tells us that the bombings that Muslims are doing is on a totally different level than that the few radical Christians. There is absolutely no excuse for either radical behavior. Terrorists are bottom feeders no matter their creed, agenda etc. And something must be done, I am proud of my country for finally having a backbone on this situation.

Me too.

I understand that there is no way to totally eradicate radical behavior, and the example of Christians bombing drives that point home nicely. But doesn’t this whole mess just reek of the inquisition? History is repeating itself. “Killing in the name of God” is pathetically overplayed. Has religion outlived its useful life? Is God a failed hypothesis? Has religion done more harm than good?

You're right, you will never be ride of extremists.
I am not a church going man but I can't see the comparison between the inquisition and islam's same old pattern of expansion. Islam has almost always been spread via violence, please fact check me on this. The Cold War tamped it down. Killing in the name of God is not something you will be able to remove from islam so please don't try to make the comparison.

Soooo, are you guys conservative “righties” simply because that is the Christian thing to be? Do you feel pressured into it because of your faith?

I can't speak for anyone else here but me being right of the political spectrum has nothing to do with religion. I understand free markets, that's why I'm conservative (That would be a contemporary American conservative not a classical conservative. Contemporary American Liberals are classic conservatives as in 20th C dictator or 15th C monarch)

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