I have a compact ACOG on the handle and a flashlight on the front. The barrel is M4 contoured and I wish it were a lightweight. Sometimes less is more.
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I have a compact ACOG on the handle and a flashlight on the front. The barrel is M4 contoured and I wish it were a lightweight. Sometimes less is more.
My thoughts on the issue can be summed up in two words:
Thank God.
I love .625" barrels.
OK, so tell me what this "whizz bang stuff" exactly is?
Furthermore you do realize that the "whizz bang stuff" on a "Buck rogers carbine" is an absolute necessity on a modern battlefield, right? Thing like IR lasers, powerful white and IR flashlights, M68 red dot sights, rail systems, combat slings, suppressors all have an indispensable place on a real world, no shit use carbine.
Now, now that I am a joe civilian, do I need all of that on my home defense AR? Nope. I run an LMT 10.5 with a TLR-3 light, Aimpoint T1 in a LaRue mount, basic KAC rail system, and LMT sopmod. This is what I would consider a "basic" carbine which fully allows you to exploit the inherent advantages of a carbine. Similarly the pistol I keep in my night stand is an M&P45 stoked with 14 rounds of 230gr Ranger-T ammo, with a CTC laser grip, and Procyon weapon light. It is very "whizz bang" but when utilized properly it gives me a distinct advantage.
People please let us not not use the lightweight AR fad as an excuse to slide down the slippery "KISS" slope to A1 style rifles with irons and no white lights.
Last edited by decodeddiesel; 02-18-10 at 23:01.
I'm not quite sure that's all their is to it.
This is the golden age of commercial training, and everyone and their mother is getting out there and taking classes from everyone and their brother. Regardless of how worthless some of that training may be, it still requires spending the better part of your day standing around with a gun. A given the proliferation of fatbodies and generally out of shape people, ounces start to become pounds. So even a guy taking a totally bogus class will start to appreciate a lighter weight gun and gear.
Then you have the "me toos" that see the trend of even to bogusly-trained and feel like mimicking that.
Personally I've been on the light-is-right kick since my very first carbine turned out to be full of whiz-bang and weighed a ton. LMT 14.5" M4 upper with 12.0 Larue Rail, Magpul M93 stock, etc. I wish I could find a pic of that beast.
Last edited by rob_s; 02-18-10 at 22:13.
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Last edited by tracker722; 06-20-11 at 01:18.
My super lightweight gun is one of my favorites (5 lb. 1 oz. without magazine).
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I like lightweight, but I am willing to trade weight for capability if I must.
Exactly; there's a "limit" where one trades reliability or efficiency for weight reduction.
We finally got approval for personally owned patrol carbines, and the department is letting us buy Colts out of payroll deduction. I'm keeping mine fairly simple and lightweight. It falls into the category of having to be lightweight to the point that I won't mind having it slung on my shoulders all day, yet accessorized appropriately for my given assignments.
The advice above is worth exactly what you paid for it.
I agree.
the good news is that we don't have to make near the compromises that we used to. A1-profile barrels instead of HBAR, T-l instead of M2, Troy Extreme instead of Larue (or god forbid the AMRS SIR), the Surefire min-Scout instead of the M961... Making all those changes will save you at least a pound, if not two, and are equal in functionality in every way.
I would not, at this juncture, go with an A1 upper, etc. simply for the sake of saving weight (although I do think there are sometimes other justifications for going that route).
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