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    You just can't compare a quality two stage trigger to a match type single stage. If you expect the SSA to feel like a 2# trigger on a bolt gun you'll be disappointed. But the 2 stage gives you far more control in dynamic shooting, where a 2# single stage might cause ND's without a very educated trigger finger.

    I don't have a SSA yet, but I do have an SSF in my RR Colt. The trigger control is simply magnificent. Compared to the factory Colt trigger which came in at a finger pad numbing 14#, well, there is no comparison. With a 14.5" middie I can literally tickle off single shots in full auto. Even on an overgassed 11.5" upper (H2 and H3 buffers on order) controlled pairs are on command, mag after mag. If I literally think a round count, it happens. Want two shots? Two get sent. Want three? Three sent. Four? repeat as necessary. it's the closest thing to a smart trigger I've ever felt. I should point out that the SSF feels like a traditional 2 stage in SA and a firm but responsive single stage on auto.

    I can only imagine that what I'm feeling in FA lends itself to excellent control in SA. Compared to my AR with a JARD set up as a 3.5# 2 stage, it feels much firmer and more predictable, and I thought the JARD was pretty good before. Once I have $$$ to dedicate to the AR, I plan to ditch the JARD and replace it with a SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Fundi View Post
    I love mine!
    +1. I used mine in a Viking Tactics Night Fighter class last November and it did not hiccup in the least. Is it as nice as a match trigger like my Chip McCormick drop-in? Nope, not in the least.

    Is it supposed to be? Hell no!! The SSA is supposed to be a RELIABLE combat/duty trigger and not a match trigger. If you wanted a tack-driving trigger system you should have gotten the Geissele DMR 2-stage adjustable match trigger and not the SSA.

    JM2CW.
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    Can't discern between a 6-8lb single stage, and a 4lb double stage? Really?

    Well I wouldn't expect a 15y/o with a learners permit to notice any tactile differences between vehicle dynamics either... You would have been better served spending $$ on rds and experience.

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    LMT< Thanks for your observations. Let us know if your impressions change once you get some rounds through it. Admittedly the only two stage triggers I have played with were on M-1 Garand's, M-14's and M-1A's. Most of my time is with a single stage trigger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    Can't discern between a 6-8lb single stage, and a 4lb double stage? Really? ...
    Dano, I purposely set the trigger pull on my duty 1911 to 6 lbs because most of the department was carrying Glock's and much of the agency's hierarchy was against 1911's. Their argument was the "hair trigger" on a 1911. My trigger was prepped correctly and broke like a "glass rod." Most of the command staff and others who shot it thought the trigger was below 4 lbs. I took out the weights and proved it was 6 lbs. Long story to tell you it is not always the weight of the pull, but how smooth or gritty the trigger is before it breaks. The amount of sear engagement (distance the trigger has to travel before it releases the hammer) has a lot to do with it also.

    The point is weight is not the whole issue in trigger pull. In this case it is also how the trigger feels and I believe that is what the OP was referring to. At least that is the way I took it.
    Last edited by az doug; 02-23-10 at 18:12. Reason: Edited for grammar, not content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    Can't discern between a 6-8lb single stage, and a 4lb double stage? Really?

    Well I wouldn't expect a 15y/o with a learners permit to notice any tactile differences between vehicle dynamics either... You would have been better served spending $$ on rds and experience.
    I hope the neighborhood kids stay off your lawn. I can discern the difference quite easily. I'm just not sure it's a $170.00 (plus shipping) improvement.

    I'll break it in with several hundred rounds and then reinstall my USGI trigger. Sometimes you don't appreciate upgrades until you're downgraded to your previous gear.

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    " I guess I just expected more of a difference between it and my USGI LMT trigger. "

    - this is what stuck me as odd...

    The tactile feel of the two triggers couldn't be more different. Some accomplished shooters will banter the difference and utility of single stage vs double.. till you want to spray them with OC and then point them toward an electified fence.

    For me (everyone has an evac hole and an opinion) a single is faster for dynamic, with a faster.. more tactile reset. However having used a long rifle.. a double stage is nicer for sync'ing shots, waiting for break in wind, long movers, etc. Shot's that aren't timed in .0x seconds...

    I have 30K+ on a Geissle FA trigger, in six or seven different lowers, and like the single auto pull, and double semi.. it has proven to be MUCH more reliable than competing products.

    Good news is, you should be able to hock it fast if you don't like it.
    Last edited by Dano5326; 02-23-10 at 20:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangotag View Post
    Having never the opportunity to shoot a 2 stage trigger.
    Can someone explain how do they work, feel, and major benefit received when you spend so much for a trigger?
    All my precision shooting to date has been done with single stage Tactical Bolt guns.
    I do have a SPR in the works where a non-standard trigger might fit in the plan.
    Thanks
    No experience with said company's trigger products, but I found this if you've not seen it before.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRq5W8SUbu8

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    Well said Dano. The Geissele trigger is the best available IMHO.
    I have four different ones.
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    I'll give you $100.00 for it.

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    Glass

    LMT

    The SSA is designed to break like a carrot. The DMR Hi-Speed breaks like an icicle.

    If a shooter wants a sharp, light match trigger the Hi-Speed series is the way to go. The SSA is a combat trigger.....if it was set up like a DMR it would be uncontrollable to many shooters in stress shooting situations because fine motor control decreases as stress level increases.

    A good rule of thumb when selecting between the two triggers is to look at the power of the optic on the rifle. 4x and over: use the DMR. 4x and below: strongly consider the SSA unless the shooter wants the ability to tune the trigger to his liking.

    If you can't tell much of a difference between the GI trigger I wonder if something is wrong. Please take a moment to call us so we can go over the installation and trigger operation as the difference should be like night and day.

    WHG

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