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Thread: Scored BCM upper today, now what the hell do I do with it?!

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    I've fondled the accupoint numerous times as well as shooting it a few. I thought the glass was good, triangle reticle didn't impress me and it almost felt toy-like to me. I'm not sure why I say this, but that was the feeling I had walking away from it each time. I think if I was going to go 1-4x (or 1.1-4) I would go with S&B. The good news is that my life doesn't depend on the optic.

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    Throw a T-1 on it and hit the range!
    SSG Jimmy Ide- KIA 28 Aug 10, Hyderabad, AFG

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    RIP Brothers

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    I say save the T1 for an application where it will shine, like on an HK or AK where you need to get low.

    I personally vote for a TA31 series ACOG on that upper... that's what I have on my Recce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyVain View Post
    Have you ever used a PA optic? They're not made for field use. As I stated, they are a training optic. Anyway, isn't that what co-witness is for? If the optic fails, you use the irons. I have a quick release mount too.

    It wouldn't be a waste of money if it helps him decide. He could always sell them. PA has a good reputation.
    I bought one of the Primary Arms M3 clones for this very reason. I've never used a 1X red dot on a carbine so I decided I'd try one before I dropped $450+ If I like it I'll spend the cash on the real thing. If not, I'm not out much.

    If I bought the real thing first and didn't like I'd be out more than $69 when I sold it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyVain View Post
    Have you ever used a PA optic? They're not made for field use. As I stated, they are a training optic. Anyway, isn't that what co-witness is for? If the optic fails, you use the irons. I have a quick release mount too.

    It wouldn't be a waste of money if it helps him decide. He could always sell them. PA has a good reputation.
    Why waste money on something that you know is inter-rim in the first place? No disrespect meant to anyone, but this is why the myth that you have to be "rich" to afford nice rigs exists.

    People blow $200 on a "clone" optic, and (if it's a tube-type scope or similar) another $100 on a "holdover" mount, and then they're out $300. If they decide they like that setup and want the "real thing", no one's going to pay them the half of what they put into it. Now they're out $300 (over half the price of the real thing) and they'll MAYBE get $100 back. Now, instead of paying $600-700 up front, they either end up spending $800-1000 on the same optic, or they can't afford it because of the initial "wasted" investment of $200-300.

    Compare that to simply buying the real thing the first time: if they like it, they got what they wanted without having to waste their money on a clone. If they don't, they can knock $25 off the price they paid and sell it on the EE as "Like New" (and it WILL sell).

    This doesn't mean that clones are totally worthless or even unusable, as the PA clones are pretty darn nice (for clones). If you're the kind of guy who only shoots 250 rounds a year at the range and his gun is simply a range toy, then a clone will serve you well and there's nothing wrong with using one. BUT... if you plan on upgrading, just skip the upgrade and either buy or save up for what you wanted the first time around. You'll save time and money in the long run. The same applies for the rifles listed on "the chart." There's nothing inherently wrong with having a rifle on the right side of the chart and, if it's a range toy, then have fun and treat it as such. However, buying a "right side" rifle and then trying to upgrade it to make it "just as good as" the left side of the chart rifles is insane from a money, time, and practicality standpoint.

    Buy once and cry once... and you'll be able to get many more "nice toys" than if you waste money slowly upgrading from clones and knock-offs. Sorry, but it's the truth.
    Last edited by Skyyr; 02-24-10 at 13:55.

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    Go for the T-1 with Larue Mount right out the door and you wont be dissapointed in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post
    Why waste money on something that you know is inter-rim in the first place? No disrespect meant to anyone, but this is why the myth that you have to be "rich" to afford nice rigs exists.

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    Buy once and cry once... and you'll be able to get many more "nice toys" than if you waste money slowly upgrading from clones and knock-offs. Sorry, but it's the truth.
    Every situation is different. It depends on the $ numbers and what you can do with the parts and pieces if you decide to upgrade. If you're spending 50% as much for a cheap copy it probably doesn't make much sense. If you're spending 10% or 15% as much and you can use the cheap part on something else or dispose of it with minimal loss, then you're out little by going that route. It's a low risk way to go with low upfront costs.

    I've got great optics, and not so great ones. I didn't put a $75 scope on my Sako bolt gun. But I won't put a $500 optic on a $125 Chinese SKS either...
    Last edited by jsharp; 02-24-10 at 14:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharp View Post
    I've got great optics, and not so great ones. I didn't put a $75 scope on my Sako bolt gun. But I won't put a $500 optic on a $125 Chinese SKS either...
    True, but that's because you're treating the $125 SKS as a "cheap" gun. If you buy a Olympic Arms AR, then a PA clone is more than enough optic for your gun, as the gun will probably break before the optic will (j/k... sort of).

    Point being, match your optics to your weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharp View Post
    Every situation is different. It depends on the $ numbers and what you can do with the parts and pieces if you decide to upgrade. If you're spending 50% as much for a cheap copy it probably doesn't make much sense. If you're spending 10% or 15% as much and you can use the cheap part on something else or dispose of it with minimal loss, then you're out little by going that route. It's a low risk way to go with low upfront costs.

    I've got great optics, and not so great ones. I didn't put a $75 scope on my Sako bolt gun. But I won't put a $500 optic on a $125 Chinese SKS either...
    These two schools of thought seem to be unreconcilable. Each side will NEVER convince the other side they are "Right."

    I fall on the "Buy once, cry once" side myself.


    ETA: Stupid Multi-Quote did not work. Site should always just quote the entire previous post with included quote.
    Last edited by DTHN2LGS; 02-24-10 at 16:05. Reason: Stupid Muti-Quote Thingy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTHN2LGS View Post
    These two schools of thought seem to be unreconcilable. Each side will NEVER convince the other side they are "Right."

    I fall on the "Buy once, cry once" side myself.


    ETA: Stupid Multi-Quote did not work. Site should always just quote the entire previous post with included quote.
    Yeah, you're probably right. Honestly I fall on the same side 90% of the time. But like anything else, there are exceptions. That was my only point.

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