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    I was a young jar head when I got my M16A1 replaced by a brand new A2. The round forward assist came on that model. I do know it has sharper edges, when running at port arms it does dig into the thumb joint just a bit.

    I used to use it when loading a fresh mag, like others said it can't hurt and it's cheap insurance to be sure you've seated the bolt fully.

    If you keep environmental grud out of the chamber area you should not need it. But you can't always do that, so it seems to me that a quick smack on the FA is not a bad habit save a "speed reload" if you're exposed. If you're behind cover a smack on the FA can be done as you're coming out from behind cover and mounting the weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    I never use the forward assist. If the bolt doesn't go into battery all the way, I use my thumb on that indentation on the bolt carrier and push forward.

    That's the way I was taught in my first carbine class a few years ago. I've never been in a class where use of the forward assist was advocated as any part of a standard procedure, but I have been cautioned that it's fragile and can cause problems if you push too hard and break it.

    This is not an attempt to criticize or insult you.

    That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. What idiot taught you to do that? First off in a firefight the weapon is going to be hot, secondly the term S.P.O.R.T.S is taught unilaterally across the Armed Services for a reason. I question a carbine class that teaches this as an immediate action drill (push the bolt groove). Reading that kind of stuff really chaps my smooth.

    I'd reconsider any carbine class that neglects the use of a part of your weapon. If your AR doesn't have a FA than S.P.O.R.T.S. should be the preferred method.

    But what the hell do I know.
    The FA is not as fragile as most would leave you to believe. If your weapon has it, you should use it. Forget that crap about the indentation, if anything that should be unlearned asap. Slap, pull, observe, release, tap, squeeze or shoot ( Whichever floats your boat).

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    Quote Originally Posted by combatvet View Post
    This is not an attempt to criticize or insult you.

    That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. What idiot taught you to do that? First off in a firefight the weapon is going to be hot, secondly the term S.P.O.R.T.S is taught unilaterally across the Armed Services for a reason. I question a carbine class that teaches this as an immediate action drill (push the bolt groove). Reading that kind of stuff really chaps my smooth.

    I'd reconsider any carbine class that neglects the use of a part of your weapon. If your AR doesn't have a FA than S.P.O.R.T.S. should be the preferred method.

    But what the hell do I know.
    The FA is not as fragile as most would leave you to believe. If your weapon has it, you should use it. Forget that crap about the indentation, if anything that should be unlearned asap. Slap, pull, observe, release, tap, squeeze or shoot ( Whichever floats your boat).

    BURN FINGERS
    Thats what I was saying
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    Maybe it was on a AR15 without FA

    If a AR15 is for HD/SD etc then a FA is needed

    Better to have it than need it and not have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by combatvet View Post
    What idiot taught you to do that?
    As mentioned above, Louis Awerbuck. If you're not familiar with him, his web site is: www.yfainc.com. He also has a regular column in the back of SWAT magazine. I think he's kinda new to this firearms training thing, so maybe we should cut him some slack.

    This is the first time I've read or hear anyone call him an "idiot," though. Interesting!

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    Where's Pat?

    I'd be curious to hear Pat Rogers opinion of this. Mr. Rogers, do you copy?
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    I my time in the Army, I saw a LOT of stoppages in M16/M4s. None of them could have been helped by the FA.

    I think bad mags and weak extractors caused 99% of the problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    I never use the forward assist. If the bolt doesn't go into battery all the way, I use my thumb on that indentation on the bolt carrier and push forward.

    That's the way I was taught in my first carbine class a few years ago. I've never been in a class where use of the forward assist was advocated as any part of a standard procedure, but I have been cautioned that it's fragile and can cause problems if you push too hard and break it.
    WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT, OVER?

    I'm sorry, but that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Do you also take the handguards off and just hold onto the barrel instead? Did they teach you a different way to lock the BCG back without the use of the bolt catch as well? What do you do if the dust cover is shut and you decide that you want to make make extra sure that the bolt is in full battery? Pry the dust cover with your fingernail and then us that ridiculous technique to get the bolt into battery? WHy not make use of the item that was installed just for such an occassion (hint: it's the Forward Assist).

    You can slam the FA pretty hard and it isn't going to damage it any. I know, I've done it as part of S.P.O.R.T.S. JM2CW.
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    Rhino- what's your name over on ARF? Reading more and more from you you are starting to remind me of someone or some type that I can't put my finger on.

    That depression is not for your thumb. The person that told you that thought he had come up with a new way of doing something that would catch on and he could become famous for. That depression has two holes where very hot gasses exit. my fingers aren't going in there ever.

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    Seems to me there are a few different ways of ensuring the bolt is home.

    BUT, only one feature was designed with that action in mind.

    I've smacked the hell out of the FA and it seems like there's a lot of other folks here who have too.

    It won't hurt the weapon so it seems like cheap insurance to me.

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    SPORTS is stupid. If you don't know why, I'll let you find the reason on your own.

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