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    I'm no where near full of myself. And this thread has gotten way off topic.

    I know what I have and haven't done. Whatever works for you is fine by me. It's your life after all. My whole point was all of these new fangle ways of doing a simple drill confuses a lot of the newer AR end users.

    My point was S.P.O.R.T.S is a simple solution to the problem.

    By all means trash the who, why, when, and how the military teaches things. I'm not so old school about training. While there is always a newer method to do it doesn't always mean its better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by combatvet View Post
    Nothing like a difference of opinions. I respect you and your right to voice yours, however misguided I feel it is.
    My "opinion" isn't mine. See I don't have your resume, so I seek training from those who do have impressive resumes. It is their opinion I was taught, and from what I can tell, it represents current thinking very well.

    No one is saying SPORTS doesn't work, just the newer method(s) work better.
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    I'm confused with the "new" way. What exactly are the steps? Seems like everyone has their own take.

    Another question...just for amusement...what's the fastest way to clear a bolt over round stoppage? The one where the round is partially out of the magazine and gets pinched by the bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhat View Post
    I'm confused with the "new" way. What exactly are the steps? Seems like everyone has their own take.

    Another question...just for amusement...what's the fastest way to clear a bolt over round stoppage? The one where the round is partially out of the magazine and gets pinched by the bolt.
    Seat magazine, roll/rack/release, shoot. In other words the same old Tap Rack Bang drill. At least that's how I think the others might be doing it, I know I do.
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    As was pointed out by Mac - the TRB (done as Razor described).

    For CQB issues.
    If doing an entry. My theory is as follows.
    1) I've press checked the M4 and pistol prior to settting out so I should not (I did not say wont) have a first round failure to fire. So any stoppgae will most likley be on a subsequent round.
    This means I can still continue pretty much no mater what -- tgts on entry are only engaged by the #1 and #2 if at contact distance - until you clearing your corner -- so I base my IA based upon either a subsequent tgt within contact distance or not -- IF its a close tgt -- it gets muzzle struck -- then I transition --

    The only time I will do a carbine IA is in a rifle fight - where I can get some cover -- or I am moving firing positions - and a buddy has my back due to my lull.


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    My training set it out like this:
    Immediate Action is tap, rack bang
    When you have attempted this and the malfunction is not cleared
    Remedial Action
    I was taught SPORTS, but as has been noted, this was canned some time ago.
    My current remedial action is lock the bolt to the rear, shake the offending crap out, insert magazine, send the bolt home. That's my personal method, not trying to set doctrine or anything.

    While I believe that tap, rack, bang is GTG, the VAST majority of malfunctions I see occur w/ baby 0311's in live fire training are double feeds, probably due to the magazines that have been used and abused by privates since Vietnam (for the record, offending magazines are smashed). Tap, rack bang actually makes the situation worse. I still believe it is viable, for general purpose.

    IA is an especially critical skill for the Infantryman, because he doesn't have a pistol. The M4/A4 is all he's got. If they could all have pistols that would be great but I'm not holding my breath on that one. The key is the target audience.
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    Just simply amazing where this has gone. I have no opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinB View Post
    As was pointed out by Mac - the TRB (done as Razor described).

    For CQB issues.
    If doing an entry. My theory is as follows.
    1) I've press checked the M4 and pistol prior to settting out so I should not (I did not say wont) have a first round failure to fire. So any stoppgae will most likley be on a subsequent round.
    This means I can still continue pretty much no mater what -- tgts on entry are only engaged by the #1 and #2 if at contact distance - until you clearing your corner -- so I base my IA based upon either a subsequent tgt within contact distance or not -- IF its a close tgt -- it gets muzzle struck -- then I transition --

    The only time I will do a carbine IA is in a rifle fight - where I can get some cover -- or I am moving firing positions - and a buddy has my back due to my lull.


    I don't claim to have all the answers --- but I have noticed that the quicker you kill the enemy -- the less time he has to kill you.
    I'd have to agree with this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Guru View Post
    Hell yes...TRANSITION. Just pull your secondary and get back in the fight immediately. Your long gun should stay down until a lull in fire or behind cover. Even get in this habit at the range, since that's where your training happens.

    For the forward assist, it helps in loading more than malfunctions. But if I needed it, I'm glad I would have it. I always hit it when loading out of a force of habit.

    SPORTS is used by the military as an easy to remember acronym for relaively untrained shooters. It does work and all the steps serve a purpose, but it's only marginally more effective than tap rack bang and takes a lot longer.
    Your assertion takes a lot of things fro granted.
    A. Most 03xx, 11X don't have a sidearm.
    B. Explain to me what good your secondary will do in a face to face firefight (IE: LMG's and rifles)

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    "SPORTS is used by the military as an easy to remember acronym for relaively untrained shooters. It does work and all the steps serve a purpose, but it's only marginally more effective than tap rack bang and takes a lot longer.
    Reply With Quote"

    This rule, I believe is still taught throughout the Marines to Privates through Generals. The Military uses acronyms to help you remember often difficult duties or actions when under stress.

    SPORTS works, IMHO.

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    I've used both techniques and I'm not sure what about SPORTS is actually slower. Isn't it essentially the same thing with the only difference being the "T" for tapping the FA?

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