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Thread: What is liked best, MP MS2 or Vickers?

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    I prefer the VTAC and run several of them. My primary work carbine has a modified 1pt/2pt VTAC, however even though my shooting would be considered CQB with a lot of transitional shooting, I still leave the sling in the 2 point mode about 95% of the time. We are also transitioning all 75 of our carbines with them.

    IMO, the MS2 and ASAP is too noisy, too slim, and I don't care for the inline ring, nor the clasp attachment. In all fairness Magpul is supposedly addressing some of these issues in the upcoming MS3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    This is one of the biggest issues I have with the ASAP and MS2. Imagine stalking 2 legged creatures that shoot back.

    The metallic clanging is just about as bad as opening a velcro pocket. 2 sounds easily identified as man made and not normally found in nature. Doing stealth tactics with these slings / end plate, as they come from the manufacturer, is not good.
    If you are going out as such, wouldn't you sound proof your kit.

    When I was on active duty we used to bounce around prior to leaving on patrol to see what made noice. If something made noise, we taped it or moved it.
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    On the two point VTAC/VCAS, do most of you guys attach the rear to the castle nut or take it all the way back to the end of the stock? I noticed several doing it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozer View Post
    If you are going out as such, wouldn't you sound proof your kit.

    When I was on active duty we used to bounce around prior to leaving on patrol to see what made noice. If something made noise, we taped it or moved it.
    Yes, you would do a jump test or similar which is still used. However if you look closely at the design of the MS2 and ASAP in combination, if you tape off the sling connection to the link attached to the ASAP you will more than likely be taking out the snap shackle release function, which may be bad as that may hinder you from releasing from your weapon. Now if you were to tape the upper side of the link on the ASAP to the slider, it may not slide as well from side to side. While you may still be able to perform correctly with duct tape, IMO the design is a bit flawed. IMO that link on the ASAP is the weak link and guys even run the ASAP and cut off that link. Not a bad idea either.

    I am no engineer but myself and others have simply devised methods that address these issues while having a 1pt to 2 pt convertible sling, in what we consider to be a more ideal sling set up such as the Vickers.

    Again, to Magpul's credit, they have identified that there are bugs in their MS2 / ASAP combo and are planning to address many of the discussed shortcomings of the sling / mount combo, with the release of the upcoming MS3. At least that is what it sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Cop View Post
    On the two point VTAC/VCAS, do most of you guys attach the rear to the castle nut or take it all the way back to the end of the stock? I noticed several doing it both ways.

    KC
    For a 2 point, that really is user choice and I see it run just as much both ways. For myself I prefer the endplate attachment. This is how I run my rifle 95%+ of the time. When I cinch the rifle down, it sits higher and more secure on my kit. Since I am not exactly tall this keeps the rifle away from my legs when I am moving or hands free. I also prefer how the sling transitions from primary to support, or vise versa from the endplate mounted position. If I do switch the rifle to single point, the endplate attachment point is a must IMO.

    Having said that, I have most of my rifles set up with either a Noveske or Daniel Defense QD endplate and some type of rail with QD's. I attach QD swivel's to the slings. Since all of the stocks that I use have a rear QD, I have the option to run it one way or another. On the 2 rifles that I run UBR's on, they have front and rear QD sockets, so that option still remains. If you are a fan of the single point, you will more than likely need it to be connected at the endplate area. I do like the rear sling attachment at the end of the stock if I have the rifle slung over my back muzzle down. Muzzle up either connection works for me.

    I know this sounds like quite a few options, but it really is pretty simple.

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    Surf,
    There is more than one way to sound proof your gear which will allow you to maintain the quick release and ambidextrious use. If using the VCAS or Vickers is easier and fits your needs better then drive on.
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    I use both single point and single point slings. Basically for 14.5" 7lb and lighter guns I like single points. For 14.5"+ 7lb+ rifles I like 2 points.

    For 2 point slings my choice is a padded Blue Force Gear Vickers Combat Applications sling.

    For single points I like the GEAR Sector ASP sling and the Magpul MS2. I'm patiently awaiting the MS3. The P.I.G. single point looks promising, I would love to try one of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozer View Post
    Surf,
    There is more than one way to sound proof your gear which will allow you to maintain the quick release and ambidextrious use. If using the VCAS or Vickers is easier and fits your needs better then drive on.
    I would attempt to get some black plasti-dip and selectively dip the loop and the oval ring. I had a machine at a job that had some noisy chains that were muffled when we dipped them. The only concern becomes the reduction in the loop size from the dip. You could also remove the factory ring, dip the loop on the plate and then buy a larger threaded chain connector and use heat shrink tuning over it.
    Last edited by orionz06; 02-28-10 at 20:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    I use both single point and single point slings.

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    I use a Vickers padded 2 point on my heavier, soon to be scoped Noveske Recon and will install the ASAP w/ MS2 on my Light Reece Basic next week...we'll see how that works out for me.

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