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    the sling stays on the HD carbine, but i don't sling up for bumps in the night. call me dated, but i still want the option of a butt-stroke.

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    That minute or two makes a huge difference, IMO.

    I am considering the carbine as a viable "reaction weapon" (not trying to steal Magpul Dynamics' thunder here ) much like a pistol. In this compressed timeframe it may not make sense to sling up. With a minute or two you can easily don a warbelt and a carbine.

    Just gaming through some scenarios here. Ultimately you want to be calling 911 and making sure that the family is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    the sling stays on the HD carbine, but i don't sling up for bumps in the night. call me dated, but i still want the option of a butt-stroke.
    Do you think that dangling sling could be a liability? Can you not butt-stroke (or maybe more appropriately muzzle-strike) while wearing a sling?

    (As I said before I will be asking loots of questions... nothing personal, don't get defensive... just trying to sort some ideas out.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    That minute or two makes a huge difference, IMO.

    I am considering the carbine as a viable "reaction weapon" (not trying to steal Magpul Dynamics' thunder here ) much like a pistol. In this compressed timeframe it may not make sense to sling up. With a minute or two you can easily don a warbelt and a carbine.

    Just gaming through some scenarios here. Ultimately you want to be calling 911 and making sure that the family is safe.

    Interesting you mention the war belt. That is what sits next to my carbine for the trips to the barn in the middle of the night; it's more convenient and I can wear it with sweat pants. I agree with you on all accounts, especially minutes count, but it doesn't take minutes to slide into a sling. I hate the term, but I'll use it anyway; muscle memory. If you always train your transitions using a sling I would say sling up. If you train your transitions without a sling don't sling up. It's probably a flaw in my training plan, but I don't think I've ever done a transition drill without a sling because all of my weapons have slings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donr101395 View Post
    I agree with you on all accounts, especially minutes count, but it doesn't take minutes to slide into a sling. I hate the term, but I'll use it anyway; muscle memory. If you always train your transitions using a sling I would say sling up. If you train your transitions without a sling don't sling up. It's probably a flaw in my training plan, but I don't think I've ever done a transition drill without a sling because all of my weapons have slings.
    Roger that - let's talk some more.

    Is it realistic to train for transitions if you are grabbing a long gun... as Joe Civilian in a home defense scenario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Do you think that dangling sling could be a liability? Can you not butt-stroke (or maybe more appropriately muzzle-strike) while wearing a sling?

    (As I said before I will be asking loots of questions... nothing personal, don't get defensive... just trying to sort some ideas out.)

    Personally I'm not comfortable with a dangling sling. The one on my HD gun is a simple sling made with 1" tubular webbing a fastex buckle and HK clip that slides on the sling rather than being fixed to the sling. It's connected on the end plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Roger that - let's talk some more.

    Is it realistic to train for transitions if you are grabbing a long gun... as Joe Civilian in a home defense scenario?

    Is it a probable scenario that you will have to do a transition in an HD scenario? IMHO it's doubtful that a person will have to perform a transition in a HD environment, but, the time to figure it out isn't when you need to do it. Like a good Boy Scout "Be Prepared".
    I can only speak to my area, but the biggest threat out here is a redneck meth head looking to score something easy to pawn. There isn't much in the way of home invasions with multiple BGs or zombies; but I would rather train for the motivated violent offender and run into the redneck meth head than train for the redneck meth head and run into the motivated violent offender.

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    I don't mean to say "will your primary fail and you need to transition"... I mean to say "will you even have a secondary weapon?"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    I don't mean to say "will your primary fail and you need to transition"... I mean to say "will you even have a secondary weapon?"...

    Gotcha, I misunderstood.
    I think it's a personal decision. Me, I would say it's highly likely. It's a standard I've trained to for a lot of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Do you think that dangling sling could be a liability? Can you not butt-stroke (or maybe more appropriately muzzle-strike) while wearing a sling?

    (As I said before I will be asking loots of questions... nothing personal, don't get defensive... just trying to sort some ideas out.)
    no, i cant butt-stoke, or even really muzzle-strike, while slung with this sling.. holds the weapon too close to my body. i've got it adjusted to allow shoulder transitions and not much else.

    it's an a-typical sling design, which keeps it pretty out of the way when un-slung... but its certainly possible that it could get entangled or become a retention liability- and i may address that, now that we're having this conversation. but while i want the ability to go blunt-weapon, i still also want the ability to sling up and grab kids or otherwise use my hands if a situation ever created the need.

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