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Noveske, BCM, and now Daniel Defense are only well known among serious users. For the hobby crowd its Bushmaster, RRA and CMMG.
I have the same experience as others here. If they are knowledgable, they have heard of them, if not they look like a confused puppy.
One of my guys asked me to check out his RRA for use as his duty rifle. When I told him it wasn't mil-spec (which our policy requires) he told me:
"Well, the mil-spec is changing. I have a friend in Iraq AND Afghanistan who is issued a RRA. The DEA and FBI are now issuing them too.". My response was "How is your 'friend' in both Iraq AND Afghanistan?". He just shut up and walked away. I can barely stand to go into gun stores any more. Its like fingernails on a chalkboard.
That's why I never really go to gun shows anymore. The amount of hot air blowing around threatens to lift the structure in which its housed completely off the ground. The price-gouging dealers with substandard weapons is only outnumbered by the uninformed duds willing to shell out hard-earned dollars for junk. Many times dealers will tell some kind of story about a historical rifle, like an M1 Garand used by "Pvt So-and-So in the 1st Division throughout WWII". When I ask for any documentation or providence to establish this, they look at me like I'm crazy. Historical guns without providence are just guns with a good story, nothing more; no value is added."Well, the mil-spec is changing. I have a friend in Iraq AND Afghanistan who is issued a RRA. The DEA and FBI are now issuing them too.". My response was "How is your 'friend' in both Iraq AND Afghanistan?". He just shut up and walked away. I can barely stand to go into gun stores any more. Its like fingernails on a chalkboard.
The closet commando crowd is even better with overweight guys in tan, pocketed vests walking out the door with action-zip-tied BM's or RRA's like they just bought the proverbial "40-watt plasma rifle". If they only knew....
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I think we're better off with Noveske only being appreciated by those "in the know."
Iraq combat veteran, Veterans of Foreign Wars Lifetime Member, NRA Rifle & Pistol Instructor, RSO, and NRA Life Member.
I am in Idaho, practically around the corner from Noveske and I hadn't heard of them until last year. My first AR was during the runup to the election, and that is when I really started doing research. Learned quickly (after buying my RRA) that Noveske was top tier. I have one now, but I also have learned the world doesn't rotate around them, and there are a lot of guns that will get the job done too.
So true. I went to a gun show this morning, saw an optics table and went over to take a peek. I've got my Aimpoint ML3 and 3xMAG already, but thought I'd take a gander anyways. Full of NCStars and other optics priced below $100. Saw a table full of knives. And I've always loved me some knives. Got my KaBar D2 Fighting knife sitting by my bedside. The table was broken up into sections titled, "Any knife $5" "Any knife $10" "Any knife $25" My cheapest CRKT pocket knife costs more than that.
You know those $5 DVD bins at Wal-Mart that always have shit movies you wouldn't spend a nickel on? Ohio is like the bargin movies bin of the USA.
I mean, I'm not someone who thinks $$=quality. I picked up a brand spanking new CZ P06 for $600. Give me access to the most expensive carry pieces on the planet and I'll still walk around with my CZ. Can't be beat, in my opinion. But some things you really need to shell out some dough for if you want something that's rock solid (give me a gun with a $50 optic and I'd probably take it off and chuck it before I ever used it).
As for training. I don't think I'll have the funds to sign up for any serious courses this summer (poor grad student). But I'm beginning a list of all the gear and stuff I'll need for a serious carbine course.
I agree with 1811, though. Most gear out there will get the job done--I have no doubt my RRA would go bang when I pulled the trigger. I just find it amusing when someone talks up a mid-range gun as if it was the gold standard.
Last edited by Complication; 03-07-10 at 19:49.
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Having been on both sides of the counter, and having the misfortune of having talked to "shooters" at a great many public ranges, I've come to the conclusion that as soon as someone uses the word "nice" in regard to a firearm, they have absolutely no idea what they are looking at.
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