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Yes we got it from 3 gunners.
As Sniperfrog (my sniper inst in '96) pointed out, John Shaw had assaulters doing this in the mid 90's, along with Jerry Barnhart. The problem back then was we had to have our armories jerry rig a rail because they were not readily commercially available with attachments for our lasers.
Post 9/11 it became even more important because of the need to use supported positions in OEF and OIF. That's also when most of us shitcanned the VFG.
Honestly, we don't need much real estate for the extra stuff. Light and laser is about it for most. Having that extra 3 to 5 " to rest the barrel has made a difference in a bunch of tight spots though.![]()
Yeah, the old school "SPR"s or whatever they called them back then, used a basic aluminum free float tube that had a couple 4" rail sections that were JB welded on, along with some screws for good measure. The first one I saw had a Leupold 1.5-5x scope on top with a laser mounted on the forend. Alot of 3 gunners use that same type of set up (except the laser) even today.
3 gunners use the support arm forward technique because they can shoot faster and more accuratly. I know I can. So it only makes sense that combat shooters would benefit from this.
Last edited by sniperfrog; 03-30-10 at 14:40.
I like them both. My Colt has a DD 12".
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Im toying with a rifle setup where my support hand is placed approx. 4" from the muzzle (16" barrel), what I have been doing is keeping the rifle low but muzzle in a high-ready posture, muzzle being at a similar height and distance from the body as you would be with a pistol at the high ready. The rifle is not fully extended until the threat emerges, giving you the option to point and shoot or punch the rifle out into a conventional shooting stance depending on distance to the threat. The biggest arguement I see with running a rifle indoors is that a threat can grab and manipulate your weapon by the barrel. Keeping the muzzle closer to your body with the support hand closer to the muzzle minimizes this problem and gives you leverage in the rifle in the instance that something like this happens. Your support hand being the pivot point and your firing hand controlling the longer end of the lever, you keep the advantage.
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Shooting with body armor, you should be shooting in a isoceles or modified isoceles stance, keeping your body armor facing in relation to your threat. To do this with a pistol is easy, you punch it out. With a long gun you bring the buttstock closer to the center of your chest, otherwise just about everything else transfers over from your handgun stance, support hand at the same distance as you would extend a pistol, elbow rolled inwards, toes forward, knees slightly bent, weight on balls of the feet, etc.; with a fixed stock this sucks but it can be done, your nose wont be anywhere near the charging handle if thats how you grew up shooting but its doable with an aimpoint or other RDS.
Last edited by Turnkey11; 03-30-10 at 22:55.
Here's what some dude posted on TOS in response to the long rail nonsense of late...
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Some company should market a tactical hand extender. That'll REALLY get that support/weak/non-dominant/reaction hand out there!
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Something like this?
Picture from http://www.tacticalinsider.com/bio.html
Last edited by Tuukka; 03-31-10 at 07:18.
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