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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan_Bell View Post
    No shit. An AR with a 10+ rail makes the rifle much easier to shoot for me that I do not plan on ever owning a 7" carbine setup again.
    I agree, after shooting just a few mags through my lnew 12" rail/16" barrel upper I'll never use a 7" rail again. Ever.
    Last edited by Falar; 03-29-10 at 20:15.

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    one thing

    Yes we got it from 3 gunners.

    As Sniperfrog (my sniper inst in '96) pointed out, John Shaw had assaulters doing this in the mid 90's, along with Jerry Barnhart. The problem back then was we had to have our armories jerry rig a rail because they were not readily commercially available with attachments for our lasers.

    Post 9/11 it became even more important because of the need to use supported positions in OEF and OIF. That's also when most of us shitcanned the VFG.

    Honestly, we don't need much real estate for the extra stuff. Light and laser is about it for most. Having that extra 3 to 5 " to rest the barrel has made a difference in a bunch of tight spots though.

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    Yeah, the old school "SPR"s or whatever they called them back then, used a basic aluminum free float tube that had a couple 4" rail sections that were JB welded on, along with some screws for good measure. The first one I saw had a Leupold 1.5-5x scope on top with a laser mounted on the forend. Alot of 3 gunners use that same type of set up (except the laser) even today.

    3 gunners use the support arm forward technique because they can shoot faster and more accuratly. I know I can. So it only makes sense that combat shooters would benefit from this.
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    I like them both. My Colt has a DD 12".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirge View Post
    With a handgun, I can pull it tight to my body and speed rock if I must. With a carbine? Not so much. So, I would do the next best thing by holding the elbow of my support arm close and tight to my body, creating a stable shooting platform with my upper body that also exposes the barrel of my carbine instead of my body parts. Like so:

    http://lh4.ggpht.com/DoubleTapper/SE...Q/IMG_0421.jpg

    Some of you with law enforcement and/or military experience that have used an extended grip may never have had an incident using that grip, and may never will. More power to you. I, on the other hand, am simply not comfortable using such a grip for fear of having my arm cut, stabbed, shot, or fatigued. And on that note, doesn't it take more muscle power to extend your arm out and leave it there than keeping it tight against your support side?
    Im toying with a rifle setup where my support hand is placed approx. 4" from the muzzle (16" barrel), what I have been doing is keeping the rifle low but muzzle in a high-ready posture, muzzle being at a similar height and distance from the body as you would be with a pistol at the high ready. The rifle is not fully extended until the threat emerges, giving you the option to point and shoot or punch the rifle out into a conventional shooting stance depending on distance to the threat. The biggest arguement I see with running a rifle indoors is that a threat can grab and manipulate your weapon by the barrel. Keeping the muzzle closer to your body with the support hand closer to the muzzle minimizes this problem and gives you leverage in the rifle in the instance that something like this happens. Your support hand being the pivot point and your firing hand controlling the longer end of the lever, you keep the advantage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirge View Post
    I understand the principle of having more real estate for accessories. However, in an actual combat scenario, would an extended grip really be practical? I've never had to take someone's life with my carbine, but if I had to, I imagine that I would be reluctant to expose the entire left side of my body in an extended grip with long rails. In close-quarters, the very notion of using this grip strikes me as insane.
    Shooting with body armor, you should be shooting in a isoceles or modified isoceles stance, keeping your body armor facing in relation to your threat. To do this with a pistol is easy, you punch it out. With a long gun you bring the buttstock closer to the center of your chest, otherwise just about everything else transfers over from your handgun stance, support hand at the same distance as you would extend a pistol, elbow rolled inwards, toes forward, knees slightly bent, weight on balls of the feet, etc.; with a fixed stock this sucks but it can be done, your nose wont be anywhere near the charging handle if thats how you grew up shooting but its doable with an aimpoint or other RDS.
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    Here's what some dude posted on TOS in response to the long rail nonsense of late...


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    Some company should market a tactical hand extender. That'll REALLY get that support/weak/non-dominant/reaction hand out there!


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Some company should market a tactical hand extender. That'll REALLY get that support/weak/non-dominant/reaction hand out there!

    All it's missing it the AFG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperfrog View Post
    Yeah, the old school "SPR"s or whatever they called them back then, used a basic aluminum free float tube that had a couple 4" rail sections that were JB welded on, along with some screws for good measure. The first one I saw had a Leupold 1.5-5x scope on top with a laser mounted on the forend. Alot of 3 gunners use that same type of set up (except the laser) even today.

    3 gunners use the support arm forward technique because they can shoot faster and more accuratly. I know I can. So it only makes sense that combat shooters would benefit from this.
    Something like this?



    Picture from http://www.tacticalinsider.com/bio.html
    Last edited by Tuukka; 03-31-10 at 07:18.

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