Vickers Tactical "Enhanced" Intermediate/Advanced Pistol/Carbine Class

[JohnN]

This is true. I think of it as carbine stance vs subgun stance. I just use whatever the instructor wants. Before I met Larry, I was always squared up, as that was the only way I had been taught by various instructors. When introduced to the carbine stance, the immediate performance gains in both speed and precision were too substantial to ignore. And while a great many will cry foul over the reduction in plate area presented downrange, the profile difference is not nearly as dramatic as they would have you believe.

As much as I hesitate to say it the competition 3-gunners have been using this stance for increased performance for years. Does anyone know if Paul Howe uses the same stance since he and Larry come from the same training background? Do you suppose many tactical trainers may not be using the carbine stance so as not to be compared to the competition shooters? Seems if you mention competition on some boards you are thought of as less that serious. Certainly there are many differences but many of the techniques developed in competition have led to improved gun handling skills for serious social purposes.

IMHO

[KevinB]

Part of the issue with stances, is that a lot of units that where using the MP-5, and thus can shoot in a squared up stance - started to transition to M4/C8 etc. A lot of the squared up doctrine came from the MP-5 days.

basicload explained it quite well on LF in the CQB board - but its been noted elsewhere as well -- you simply cannot shoot a M4 or M16 like you would a MP-5 - the M4 is longer so the balance is different and the recoil is increased.

However in armor you cannot shoot as bladed/angles as LAV is doing in those pictures - you need to adopt your postion to your equipment and tactical needs.

Damn I wish I had been able to make that course.

[Matt Edwards]

I have on pretty good acount that their stances are similar, but I have not trained with PH yet.
Matt

[VA_Dinger]

I still have not received the rest of the photos, but it should be any day now.

I did find one more of Larry and his HK416.

[sjauch]

Where have you been?

Just working and freaking busy dude.

I pretty sure I am going to make the Ohio class in May.

[VA_Dinger]

Maybe Dinger is the "MJ" of pistol shooting.

Mike

I wish that was true.

Note to self: Be more careful when guys are taking pictures next time.

[VA_Dinger]

I'm with exit 8, that looks like a lot of fun. Is Larry selling Vickers Tactical ball caps now?

Hi Damon.

They will be available very soon. Check Larry's website after SHOT. I'm not sure if they are going to be sold through his website or Nighthawks.

[DrMark]

I wish that was true.

Note to self: Be more careful when guys are taking pictures next time.

Don't let the kidding get to you!

We know you were really using your tongue to determine wind strength/direction, and adjusting your point of aim accordingly!