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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Not my proudest moment in terms of the way it's posted, but I have a page on my site on my BCM carbine.

    Now, if buying today....

    Daniel Defense lower, complete, with MOE grip & stock $379

    BCM upper with plastic handguards, BCM BCG & Charging handle $626

    That gets you into a complete, functional firearm for $1k, add another $60 for either a DD fixed rear sight or a Magpul rear MBUS if you prefer folding.


    Agree with the above posters re: the Aimpoint C3 in mount @ $465.

    You're now at $1100 for the rifle with rear BUIS plus $465 with the optic for a total of $1600 give or take for the complete package.

    Magpul Pmag 10-pack should run you <$150/shipped bringing you to $1750, and a decent sling like the BFG Victory gets you to around $1800 total.

    Herein lies your problem. Getting ammo, 1,000 rounds of it, for $200. Even if shooting Wolf that's not going to happen.

    One possible solution is to buy something along the lines of a Spike's Tactical complete lower for $275. That is nearly $100 less than the DD above, and frankly I am of the opinion that the lower these days is one of the least critical elements. The standard M4 stock is MORE than serviceable, the Spike's comes with a milspec extension so you can change it out later if you want, and the only think it needs is a MOE grip and a gapper (the A2 grip has to go, every time) and Spike's probably has those available for a slight upcharge if you call them.

    Going that route would get you another $100 or so for ammo, meaning a total of $300, and it looks like AIM has a version of PMC for $310 plus shipping. (caution, I have not used this ammo myself although I am planning on ordering a case to try out this week).

    So my suggestion would be:
    $300 Spike's lower ($275 plus shipping and transfer, may be a little over $300)
    $626 Complete BCM upper
    $465 Aimpoint C3 in ADM mount
    $150 for 10 Pmags
    $50 for BFG Victory sling
    $60 BUIS

    $350 ammo shipped
    $2001 total package


    All of the items in blue are available from G&R which may net you a slight reduction in price for the total package but should at least mean that you can get the whole package assembled for free when it arrives to you, saving you some hassle. Handguards installed, optic mounted, BUIS mounted, BCG and CH installed.
    Thanks, Rob, that sounds like a great plan but I would kind of prefer to have a matching upper and lower, so right now I think I'm going to follow your advice but with a BCM lower whenever they get more in. I also like the idea of trying out a variety of ammo to find out what works best, so I can start out with a little less ammo, shoot a couple hundred rounds of a variety of ammo, and have a rifle that I'm really happy with.

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    Here's what I'd do...


    Colt 6920...$1199-$1299
    10 PMags...$179.90
    500 Rds Practice Ammo...$250 +/-

    Basic Carbine course from LAV, Tiger Swan etc.......$500+ (depending on course length etc..)

    If have any money left maybe get a white light for it......

    K.I.S.S....

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    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England's foam".....

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    I skipped a page and seemed to miss a pretty hot 'Optics' debate...

    Optics are great...A modern technological advance...much like a GPS...
    However....I wouldn't go on a 2 week long hunting trip in the Yukon Territory with my shiny new $500 Garmin unless I was GD'd sure that I was VERY comfortable with the 'Old School' Land Nav techniques...And by the way I have 'outshot' considerably with my plain jane iron sighted 6920 many guys with $500-$1000 optics...at 50-100 yds...Obviously the optics have a 'huge' advantage at distances greater than that..BUT the OP said he was using it for.....

    ...."This rifle will be used mainly for shooting at the range, but I would like to take some courses and maybe even enter some competitions in the future, obviously, it should also be capable for use in HD".....


    So..I still maintain..take a decent course and get the Optic later.....
    ....."They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England's foam".....

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    This is giving me a headache.

    -RDSs are superior choices for a fighting gun beyond just close range "speed". Whether or not you choose to spend money on one has nothing to do with their use or value.

    -Having a quality upper on a quality lower, filled with quality parts does not a frankengun make. "Frankengun" implies a cobbled together weapon built from cheap gunshow bin parts. It's the concept that separates frankenguns from custom guns: quality and skill.

    -The next person that says that failure to agree with their line of thinking makes someone an idiot will receive an infraction. Be polite.
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    Just to clarify things, this will be my first AR, not my first rifle. I already know how to shoot with iron sights, I have an AK with iron sights, that I shoot it quite well. I have never used an RDS, but I absolutely want to use one on this rifle. I was pleasantly surprised that Rob was able to derive a plan that will fit into my budget with the Aimpoint.

    I do plan on taking a course next summer, after I've had a chance to familiarize myself with the rifle, and make sure to work out any bugs that it may have.

    Thanks to everyone who contributed to this post, it was quite informative.

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    ADCO just came out with the Cruiser barrel. It comes with mid lo pro gas block and rifle FSB. They have almost the exact same barrel naked if you want it. It's CMV steel, medium weight. It's in Sylvania near Toledo, NW Ohio.

    ADCO Cruiser: 425 (stripped CMV medium weight: 245)
    White Oak upper: 125
    Spike's Lower: 110 (no FFL fee if purchased there)
    BCM BCG: 150 when I got mine

    I prefer medium weight barrels, not too skinny, but a lot lighter than HBAR.

    I just shot mine for the first time today. It was really. I have the Spikes ST-T2 buffer, which I'd recommend. The recoil goes straight back and forth, no bounce at all, very tight.


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    Since you do now in fact definitely want the scope this may help....


    ....."They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England's foam".....

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    Usually a good idea to give credit where you get a resource, especially when the source posts on a forum and has posted in a given thread.

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    Fair point Rob..

    Not trying to steal anybody's thunder...I actually pulled it from here......

    http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833026


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    ....."They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England's foam".....

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