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    Quote Originally Posted by eo500 View Post
    I have a question about the 6920. Are they all marked for law enforcement only? Every one I've seen around here has been marked LEO. If so, can an ordinary guy buy one, and are there any other implications?
    Perfectly legal to own one in Ohio, no implications at all (crazy states like CA might be another matter, but that has nothing to do with being marked "LEO only"). As long as you can buy a long gun, you can buy a 6920. My local shop's got one in stock right now. Almost bought it instead of the Noveske.

    3rd paragraph:
    http://www.fulton-armory.com/ATF--Ch...er_13_2004.htm

    From the ATF itself:
    Q: Are SAWs and LCAFDs marked “Restricted law enforcement/government use only” or “For export only” now legal to sell to civilians in the United States?
    Yes. SAWs and LCAFDs are no longer prohibited. Therefore, firearms with the restrictive markings are legal to transfer to civilians in the United States, and it is legal for non-prohibited civilians to possess them. All civilians may possess LCAFDs.
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/saws...-of-restricted
    Last edited by Complication; 03-12-10 at 23:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aray View Post
    Training isn't on your list.
    It's on next Summer's list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    Perfectly legal to own one in Ohio, no implications at all (crazy states like CA might be another matter, but that has nothing to do with being marked "LEO only"). As long as you can buy a long gun, you can buy a 6920. My local shop's got one in stock right now. Almost bought it instead of the Noveske.

    3rd paragraph:
    http://www.fulton-armory.com/ATF--Ch...er_13_2004.htm

    From the ATF itself:
    Q: Are SAWs and LCAFDs marked “Restricted law enforcement/government use only” or “For export only” now legal to sell to civilians in the United States?
    Yes. SAWs and LCAFDs are no longer prohibited. Therefore, firearms with the restrictive markings are legal to transfer to civilians in the United States, and it is legal for non-prohibited civilians to possess them. All civilians may possess LCAFDs.
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/saws...-of-restricted
    great, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    Since I recently kitted out a gun, here's what I'd grab:

    $1,495 (1,465 + 30 shipping + transfer fee) Noveske N4 Light Basic*
    $55 Magpul MS2 sling**
    $85 5x Magpul PMag with window ($70 without window)
    $400 Case of your favorite flavor of Ammo***
    $20 Cleaning kit (traditional or boresnake, patches, etc. etc.)
    $10 Spray bottle of CLP****
    $?? Carry bag
    $30 Tools (See below)
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    $2,095

    If you put off buying the case of ammo, or want help on a future wish list, here's the other "essentials" I'd add:
    $30 Magpul MOE Handguard
    $10 Magpul MOE Hanguard rail attachment*****
    $35 Magpul AFG (unless you want a broomstick)
    $100 Magpul CTR (the Noveske comes with a nice VLTOR stock, but it's not my cup of tea and I'm aiming for a color scheme other than straight black)
    $20 Troy CQB grip (The TangoDown grip the Noveske comes with is nice but I like to grip high. I've been told these start shipping end of month. Just make sure whatever grip you use covers "the gap")
    $500-1200 Optics w/ LaRue mounts (Save yourself the headache of searching and just buy the mounts and maybe even the optics from LaRue. Seriously quality. And they give you some fantastic dry rub, too! Go ACOG, red dot, red dot with mag, or EOTech, but seriously spend time researching NOT what you want but what you NEED)
    $25 BCM charging handle (Mod 3 or 4, I think the medium one is the perfect size)
    $20 Magpul MOE trigger guard

    Then if you want to take classes, you're going to have to research what gear you want: kneepads?, chest rig or belt rig?, camelbak or plain water bottles?, pistol holster on chest rig? belt? drop-leg?, pistol mags, bug spray, eye and ear pro you can wear all day all weekend, speed loaders, spare bolt, spare batteries, sun screen, folding chair, dump pouch, loctite, etc. etc. If you want to take a class, I'd say read the forums on what you need and maybe buy a carbine course training video and pay attention to what people have, what works, and what you think will fit with you. Remember that after fees, ammo, gas, food, hotels, etc. carbine courses can cost upwards of $2,000. Buying a $40 dvd set to get the most out of your investment doesn't sound so rough, now, huh?

    After that, you can really go crazy on stuff you don't need. I'm EXO-coating my BCG, I've got a Geissele 2-stage trigger on the way, I'm putting in an ambi safety, I've got a BAD lever, a weapons light, a BHI enhanced SOPMOD bolt upgrade kit, a troy di-optic flip up rear sight, and I've even replaced the rubber cover to my Aimpoint COMPML3 to match my color scheme. But none of that's "starter-kit" stuff. All of that is "because... **** it, why not?" stuff that you can get when you've got a little money to spend.

    TOOLS:
    Once you start adding stuff like a BAD lever, rail sections, and lights/optics and their mounts, you're going to need a dizzying variety of hex and torx heads. I went to home depot and got this Husky driver set with 10 metric hex bits, 10 imperial hex bits, and 10 torx/star bits (with a single flathead and a single phillips head bit) plus the ratcheting screwdriver. Most useful $30 I've spent on my AR15. Just make sure you find a set (preferably small enough that you can keep it in your range bag and never worry about where it is) that has a whole range of torx/star and hex (metric and imperial) bits so you never have to worry about buying an addition or modification and then stripping screws or being left with the coolest whizbang on the market with no way to get it on your gun.

    *The rifle's the critical part. Make sure you're picking the one you'll want for the future, not now. For example, there are "nicer" Noveskes (i.e. more expensive) but my optics mount on the rail it's got, so no need for a monolithic rail running all the way to the front sight. I also planned (and already have) on using Magpul's handguard, so no need to get a quad-rail system. Also, since all I was mounting up front is a light and an the magpul AFG, no need for anything sturdier than polymer, plus it saves some weight, I'm sure. The only downside to the N4 Basic is the fixed front sight. But since I'm running a Aimpoint red dot, I can co-witness, and when I flip up the 3x Magnifier, the front sight disappears completely. I'm sure there are people who hate the front sight in their field of view, but I'm completely indifferent. Personal preference.

    **There's maybe 2 other slings I'd even consider spending money on. The MS2 is 100% what I'm looking for. Watch this video to see the sexy Chris Costa run down the sling and ASAP mount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY). You can shell out $30 for the ASAP mount but the quick-detach stuff you'll get with the Noveske gives almost just as much range of motion and you'll probably only notice the difference if you're a Magpul whore .

    ***Last I checked, Midway USA will have 3-4 different lengths in stock by the end of this month or sometime in April. USCav is shipping them now but only in one length (10 slots). They're polymer, too, so the weight difference between the 3-slot and the 12-slot is probably negligible.

    ****Personally, I've found that a spray bottle makes cleaning 100x easier. There are so many small nooks and crannies that are a real bear to clean by shoving patches around on the ends of sticks.

    *****With the 1:7 twist, you probably want something heavier than 55gr, but I doubt you'll notice it at shorter ranges. I'd put off buying the case of ammo and take 40-50 rounds of 55gr, 62gr, and maybe even 70gr and see how they shoot wherever you're plinking. I'm still waiting for a few parts before I take mine out to the range and do some testing myself, so I can't help much there.

    There, hope that helps get you started.
    Wow, that's a ton of great advice, I'll have to spend some time digesting it all. Thanks.

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    I have about $2k invested in my BCM midlength, and it shoots like a dream. I have:

    BCM Midlength from Grant at G&R.
    Larue 12.0 hanguards
    Larue low-pro Gasblock
    Magpul rail panels
    VLTOR emod stock
    MIAD
    MS2 sling
    GG&G sling plate
    Magpul MBUS front sight
    Aimpoint H-1 on a Larue tall mount
    Surefire 6p in a larue Mount (which I will probably be selling, as that block of metal is ****ing heavy)
    and I think I got 4 PMAGS plus the one included steal mag with Magpul followers.

    All told, it cost me about $2200 or so.

    You can save $600 just by shooting irons for awhile and saving for the optic, or scrub $300 by waiting on getting full length railed handguards (rumor has it Magpul is releasing a midlength MOE handguard... probably sub-$150) Either way, you'll be at your price point. As far as ammo goes... With me, personally, I save $50 from every paycheck and buy about 200 rnds at the local gun shop. I can get it for about $5/20 rnds. Also, every time I order online, anything gun related, I throw in a PMAG or two. At $14 a pop, I don't really think about it, and I ain't made of money. Coming up on about 12 mags when my order from Brownells comes in next week.

    If you're working (I hope you are) you can get a lot of ammunition relatively quick and cheap by using my method. I've only fallen below 1k rnds once since I bought my rifle, and I shoot about 400 rnds every range trip. Going to Walmart? Buy a box or two. Ordering online? They have ammo? Buy a box or two and throw in a PMAG for good measure. Get my drift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eo500 View Post
    I'm from the Youngstown area, I'd love to come to the meet but unfortunately, I'll be out of town that weekend. I'll be in touch if my schedule changes.
    I live in Salem if you ever wanna meet up for some trigger time.
    Acta Non Verba

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    $2K recently got me a 6920 with an Aimpoint Ml2, LaRue QD mount, Pmags, MI BUIS, tac light and assorted trinkets. I have no buyer's remorse whatsoever.

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    retriement plan

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    LMT complete Lower $330
    BCM Mid-length Upper with CH & BCG $580
    BCM Mid-length hand guard $20
    DD A1.5 Fixed rear sight $69
    Vickers AA Combat Applications Sling $43
    (10) Pmags $142
    Aimpoint H1 with KZ Mount $427 after rebate and shipping

    That makes a total of $1611, sell the KZ Mount for $45 and replace it with a DD Mount.
    The LMT Lower is at Rainier Arms, The Aimpoint Package at Botach and the rest from Bravo Company. After you pay shipping for the upper & lower you should still have enough cash for a case of ammo.

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    Not my proudest moment in terms of the way it's posted, but I have a page on my site on my BCM carbine.

    Now, if buying today....

    Daniel Defense lower, complete, with MOE grip & stock $379

    BCM upper with plastic handguards, BCM BCG & Charging handle $626

    That gets you into a complete, functional firearm for $1k, add another $60 for either a DD fixed rear sight or a Magpul rear MBUS if you prefer folding.


    Agree with the above posters re: the Aimpoint C3 in mount @ $465.

    You're now at $1100 for the rifle with rear BUIS plus $465 with the optic for a total of $1600 give or take for the complete package.

    Magpul Pmag 10-pack should run you <$150/shipped bringing you to $1750, and a decent sling like the BFG Victory gets you to around $1800 total.

    Herein lies your problem. Getting ammo, 1,000 rounds of it, for $200. Even if shooting Wolf that's not going to happen.

    One possible solution is to buy something along the lines of a Spike's Tactical complete lower for $275. That is nearly $100 less than the DD above, and frankly I am of the opinion that the lower these days is one of the least critical elements. The standard M4 stock is MORE than serviceable, the Spike's comes with a milspec extension so you can change it out later if you want, and the only think it needs is a MOE grip and a gapper (the A2 grip has to go, every time) and Spike's probably has those available for a slight upcharge if you call them.

    Going that route would get you another $100 or so for ammo, meaning a total of $300, and it looks like AIM has a version of PMC for $310 plus shipping. (caution, I have not used this ammo myself although I am planning on ordering a case to try out this week).

    So my suggestion would be:
    $300 Spike's lower ($275 plus shipping and transfer, may be a little over $300)
    $626 Complete BCM upper
    $465 Aimpoint C3 in ADM mount
    $150 for 10 Pmags
    $50 for BFG Victory sling
    $60 BUIS

    $350 ammo shipped
    $2001 total package


    All of the items in blue are available from G&R which may net you a slight reduction in price for the total package but should at least mean that you can get the whole package assembled for free when it arrives to you, saving you some hassle. Handguards installed, optic mounted, BUIS mounted, BCG and CH installed.

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