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    You're either SWAT, or you're not.

    I was at the range today tweaking the zero on my SBR when I experienced a torn case.

    After the above incident I continued zeroing. Just as I was finishing up and getting ready to move to the handgun range, a local agency SWAT contingent showed up and started to set up their tactical rifles. I know that they were SWAT because they had multicam tabs on their multicam BDUs that said "SWAT".

    I showed the one guy my broken case... he immediately summoned one of his buddies who must have been the AR expert. He asked me if my chamber was real dirty and I told him that I didn't think it was too dirty. He looked again and told me it was definitely a dirty chamber and that I need to clean my chamber. He told me that with ARs, if you don't scrub the chamber with solvent and a brush every 200 rounds then you will get torn cases and broken extractors.

    "No kidding? Thanks man!" I exclaimed and moved to the pistol range. I honestly never knew that ARs had to have their chambers scrubbed every 200 rounds. Learn something new every day.

    Later on, the SWAT guy that told me the above and one of his buddies made his way over to the pistol range. I decided I needed to run one last drill then vacate to let them do their thing. They walked out onto the range without calling for a cease fire or anything. They set up targets and the AR expert pulls out a - wait for it - AK pistol and proceeds to blast about 10 rounds all over a silhouette making a large pattern. Without eyepro, of course.

    Then he puts the AK pistol away and him and his buddy pull out their Glock service pistols and begin to pop at targets. Without eyepro, of course.



    p.s. To all the SWAT guys and LEOs out there - I am not picking on you guys, seriously! This is just one of those amusing anecdotes that I got to experience first-hand. Some of the best performing and most knowledgeable shooters that I've ever met were LEOs. Just goes to show that there are guys like this everywhere... SWAT, .mil, gun store, etc...

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    Not all SWAT guys are gun nuts. A lot of the guys on our local team are very proficient with their service weapons but really don't give two shits about guns in general. Except the snipers, they are all gun crazy.
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    I'm on 2 teams, one a smaller agency team that mostly does warrants and the like, then a multi-jurisdictional full-on SWAT unit. On the smaller one we don't have as much money or time. There is one bloke that doesn't like to use his sights. (Although, somehow he seems to usually shoot pretty well. When he uses them). We occasionally train with the MP5 so one day we are simulating room entries. He goes in with the MP5 stock collapsed, held a waist height and does a Schwarzenneger rock-and-roll 15 round burst on a target. He didn't think it was funny as he originally did when we started doing pushups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    I was at the range today tweaking the zero on my SBR when I experienced a torn case.

    After the above incident I continued zeroing. Just as I was finishing up and getting ready to move to the handgun range, a local agency SWAT contingent showed up and started to set up their tactical rifles. I know that they were SWAT because they had multicam tabs on their multicam BDUs that said "SWAT".

    I showed the one guy my broken case... he immediately summoned one of his buddies who must have been the AR expert. He asked me if my chamber was real dirty and I told him that I didn't think it was too dirty. He looked again and told me it was definitely a dirty chamber and that I need to clean my chamber. He told me that with ARs, if you don't scrub the chamber with solvent and a brush every 200 rounds then you will get torn cases and broken extractors.

    "No kidding? Thanks man!" I exclaimed and moved to the pistol range. I honestly never knew that ARs had to have their chambers scrubbed every 200 rounds. Learn something new every day.

    Later on, the SWAT guy that told me the above and one of his buddies made his way over to the pistol range. I decided I needed to run one last drill then vacate to let them do their thing. They walked out onto the range without calling for a cease fire or anything. They set up targets and the AR expert pulls out a - wait for it - AK pistol and proceeds to blast about 10 rounds all over a silhouette making a large pattern. Without eyepro, of course.

    Then he puts the AK pistol away and him and his buddy pull out their Glock service pistols and begin to pop at targets. Without eyepro, of course.



    p.s. To all the SWAT guys and LEOs out there - I am not picking on you guys, seriously! This is just one of those amusing anecdotes that I got to experience first-hand. Some of the best performing and most knowledgeable shooters that I've ever met were LEOs. Just goes to show that there are guys like this everywhere... SWAT, .mil, gun store, etc...
    Welcome to my world.
    I experience some of this every Tuesday

    Most of them are pretty good, But every team has one or two of "That Guy" you can't escape it, you just keep educating them.

    No offence taken here, you're just spouting facts.
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    Some of the SWAT cops I work with are very motivated, physically fit and proficient with their firearms. I know of a few that are too fat to pass the PT test, another that doesnt know how to field strip his M4.

    Those in the latter category usually guard the truck when there is a call out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhurt View Post
    I'm on 2 teams, one a smaller agency team that mostly does warrants and the like, then a multi-jurisdictional full-on SWAT unit. On the smaller one we don't have as much money or time. There is one bloke that doesn't like to use his sights. (Although, somehow he seems to usually shoot pretty well. When he uses them). We occasionally train with the MP5 so one day we are simulating room entries. He goes in with the MP5 stock collapsed, held a waist height and does a Schwarzenneger rock-and-roll 15 round burst on a target. He didn't think it was funny as he originally did when we started doing pushups.

    WTF. I would have went for burpies. or a boot to the chest, or terminated.

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    I've seen a lot of this kind of stuff too, Katar. Where I live, most are smaller departments and teams. I think this leads to a higer precentage questionable talent. Along the same lines, my knephew is a 19 y.o. marine preparing to ship to Afgan next month. He is a good kid and has learned a lot, but I will have to say, IMO, he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I've suprised him a number of times with different recommendations for different issues. I tried to presuade him to read some tips and articles from people like LAV and Pat Rogers but he seemed unintrested, as if he already knows everything he needs to know, so I dropped it. I just hope he knows enough. And for the record, I am certainly no expert, at anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    I've seen a lot of this kind of stuff too, Katar. Where I live, most are smaller departments and teams. I think this leads to a higer precentage questionable talent. Along the same lines, my knephew is a 19 y.o. marine preparing to ship to Afgan next month. He is a good kid and has learned a lot, but I will have to say, IMO, he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I've suprised him a number of times with different recommendations for different issues. I tried to presuade him to read some tips and articles from people like LAV and Pat Rogers but he seemed unintrested, as if he already knows everything he needs to know, so I dropped it. I just hope he knows enough. And for the record, I am certainly no expert, at anything.
    If someone asks me my opinion, I am happy to give it if I think I have some relevant info. I generally do not offer it up out of the blue, though.

    If I see or hear bizarre stuff, I just keep quiet. Many times I just leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    I've seen a lot of this kind of stuff too, Katar. Where I live, most are smaller departments and teams. I think this leads to a higer precentage questionable talent. Along the same lines, my knephew is a 19 y.o. marine preparing to ship to Afgan next month. He is a good kid and has learned a lot, but I will have to say, IMO, he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I've suprised him a number of times with different recommendations for different issues. I tried to presuade him to read some tips and articles from people like LAV and Pat Rogers but he seemed unintrested, as if he already knows everything he needs to know, so I dropped it. I just hope he knows enough. And for the record, I am certainly no expert, at anything.
    Anyway you can get him to read this:


    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540

    M_P

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