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Thread: What's the deal w/ stocking up on Lowers???

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    When you buyer a stripped lower, it is registered as a rifle. The IRS does not become interested in collecting FET UNTIL it is a complete weapon (in their eyes). If your a consumer and the weapon is for PERSONAL use, then no FET is to be paid.

    Even if an FFL dealer builds an AR for PERSONAL use, no FET is paid either (or they are covered by the 50 build rule).

    So let's pretend that you buy a stripped lower on April 1. On May 1, an AWB is passed stating that all weapons built before May 1 are grandfathered in and you can do whatever you want with them. It would be VERY hard to prove as to whether that lower came to you as a stripped lower or a complete weapon.

    The AWB that we are now looking at doesn't have the above acception in it, so buying lowers won't save you. I guess one way to look at it though, is if this one doesn't pass (which I don't think it will) another "softer" one might come along and all those stripped lowers might just pay off for someone.

    Having read some of the pending AWB (no expert though), I don't think it will go through for several reasons. First, it would take every duck/turkey/deer/upland bird favorite weapon (auto loading shotgun). Second, It would take another favorite weapon, the Ruger 10/22 (or any auto loading .22). Third, since just about NO auto loading weapon would be legal to own anymore, do we REALLY see a door to door confiscation taking place?

    I may have read into the AWB a little to much, but that is kind of how it was laid out in recent NRA magazine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The AWB that we are now looking at doesn't have the above exception in it, so buying lowers won't save you. I guess one way to look at it though, is if this one doesn't pass (which I don't think it will) another "softer" one might come along and all those stripped lowers might just pay off for someone.

    Having read some of the pending AWB (no expert though), I don't think it will go through for several reasons. First, it would take every duck/turkey/deer/upland bird favorite weapon (auto loading shotgun). Second, It would take another favorite weapon, the Ruger 10/22 (or any auto loading .22). Third, since just about NO auto loading weapon would be legal to own anymore, do we REALLY see a door to door confiscation taking place?
    I think you're right. It won't pass, and I don't think "They" expect it to pass. They would like that, of course, but don't expect it. It's how they baby-step us to death.

    Ask for a mile, guilt-trip about a "compromise", take a quarter mile, and wait for the next tragedy to capitalize upon. Just like a car that's overpriced on the dealer's lot, then they act like it's a real favor to come down to market value.

    It's why we have to make sure we show that no "compromise" (as if they even understood the word) is acceptable on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuicideHz View Post
    Stick- the lower receiver is the registered component of a weapon and is considered a weapon for registration purposes but it is not considered a complete weapon for most other purposes.

    A long time ago, I told the USPS personnel I was shipping a lower. They would NOT allow a weapon to be shipped despite the real rules. But when I cut open the box and they saw that although it might be a registered weapon it could not do anyone harm as it was configured- not a complete weapon and it was shipped.


    I wouldn't use the USPS as an example of anything....
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    Exactly but the humans there at least know the difference between a registered weapon part and a whole gun. That's all I was trying to point out. They made a good fat analogy possible.

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    Well guys,
    Thanks for all the replies. Not surprisingly, I'm still as confused as before, and I cannot tell if the guys who stocked up on lowers before the 94 ban, were LEGAL when they built up a bunch of Pre Ban rifles AFTER the ban, OR if they were ILLEGAL in doing so??? Guess it's kinda hard to decipher, with everything that's been said. Lots of speculation and different opinions...

    BTW,
    What does "LPK" stand for???? Lower Parts Kit perhaps???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Cataldo View Post
    What does "LPK" stand for???? Lower Parts Kit perhaps???
    Exactly.
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    lower parts kit. Who besides yourself would know what you did to your lower the day before the ban was put in place? It is still not possible to know what a ban would say until it was a done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Cataldo View Post
    Well guys,
    Thanks for all the replies. Not surprisingly, I'm still as confused as before, and I cannot tell if the guys who stocked up on lowers before the 94 ban, were LEGAL when they built up a bunch of Pre Ban rifles AFTER the ban, OR if they were ILLEGAL in doing so??? Guess it's kinda hard to decipher, with everything that's been said. Lots of speculation and different opinions...

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    What does "LPK" stand for???? Lower Parts Kit perhaps???
    Yep, LPK = lower parts kit.

    Technically, they were illegal; realistically, it would have been very difficult to prove it, and I don't think there were ever any cases of arrests or prosecution regarding it.

    Personally, I would (and plan to) buy enough to complete the different lower builds I have planned. If you plan to build 20 ARs, that's great, more power to you. But I think that buying a crapload of lowers as an investment could easily mean you have a bunch of $100 paperweights (at best). I wouldn't hesitate to use ones I've got as needed, but I'm never going to build up 15-20 ARs.

    Being as modular as they are, I think wear parts and mags are a better thing to cache. It wouldn't hurt to have 1 or 2 extra lowers, but who's ever worn a lower out? IF, and it's a long shot, ARs were totally banned for new manufacture and the parts market dried up, it wouldn't be lowers we were all hurting for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushytale View Post
    lower parts kit. Who besides yourself would know what you did to your lower the day before the ban was put in place? It is still not possible to know what a ban would say until it was a done deal.

    Billy
    Like I said- if you go to sell lowers only a year after the ban when people want to pay $500 each and you only have two uppers at home, chances are you didn't have 15 complete rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    I think you're right. It won't pass, and I don't think "They" expect it to pass. They would like that, of course, but don't expect it. It's how they baby-step us to death.

    Ask for a mile, guilt-trip about a "compromise", take a quarter mile, and wait for the next tragedy to capitalize upon. Just like a car that's overpriced on the dealer's lot, then they act like it's a real favor to come down to market value.

    It's why we have to make sure we show that no "compromise" (as if they even understood the word) is acceptable on this issue.

    I think they will nickle and dime us to death by banning small parts here and there.

    I also believe that it is basically a political "stunt" so that they can show the voters in their State that they are anti gun and is why/how they got elected in the first place.


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