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    But scottryan, the Colt rail is 80 series right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawdog-1 View Post
    the Colt rail is 80 series right.
    That's enough of a reason for me to avoid it right there. I don't care if it is a Colt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawdog-1 View Post
    But scottryan, the Colt rail is 80 series right.


    The Kimber is series 80.

    The Colt is also made the closest to a original 1911. It has a forged slide and frame unlike the Kimbers milled bar stock frame.

    The Colt has the least amount of MIM parts between the three.

    The SA has a politically correct built in child lock.

    The SA is made in a 3rd world country. Although Imbel was a licensed FN contractor, their quality control isn't up to the standard of a 1st world company.
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    No, sir.

    The Kimber is not a Series 80. It has a completely different firing pin safety design (Swartz). The Kimber Warrior doesn't even have that, making it technically closer to the original than the Series 80 style Colt Rail Gun.

    Regarding forged vs. bar stock, I guess the Kimber may just be closest to the original, as the originals were milled from bar stock. Of course, the Springfield is all forged.

    Colt might have fewer MIM parts, but Colt has been using some fairly grungy cast parts in recent years. Doesn't matter, though, as I'd be swapping in Cylinder & Slide lockwork, and an Ed Brown Hardcore slide stop, on any of these guns.

    The ILS is easily and completely removed by swapping in a different mainspring housing, after which the Springfield is a very much a pure 1911, mechanically speaking.


    While the standard Loaded series pistols are "Made in Brazil," the frames for the MC Op are machined from forgings made by Imbel in Brazil. There's no "Made in Brazil" import marks anywhere on it, which shows that the frame was imported as less than a frame, and was ultimately made into an actual frame later, in the US.

    Of the three, I'd choose the MC Operator in a heartbeat, and would place the Kimber at 2nd Place.

    BTW, I like Colt. Can't wait to get another Colt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STS View Post
    Well my buddy Victor (thanks!) pulled some strings and got me a NIB MC Operator. First impression, it is far better built than I had expected. The frame to slide fit is very good, borderline tight. I had figured it would almost rattle. Fit and finish is very well done.

    I'm going to do a bit of a project with this gun. I'll start taking photo's and document everything. First up, complete cleaning and lube with Slip EWL. Then I plan on shooting 1,000 rds through it bone stock with the addition of CMC Powermags-no cleaning. After that, I'll add a Mars Armament magwell, heavy duty pin set, 17lbs recoil spring, 19 lbs main, Wolffe extra power fire pin spring, and do some filing on the thumb safety as it is rather sharp. I'll probably go ahead and fit and extra extractor and FP stop, and leave the rest alone.

    I also plan on letting some of my teammates and training partners take it for a while and shoot it. I'm just curious to see how it holds up. Hopefully it will be up around 5,000 rds by December and I can report back on any issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    No, sir.

    The Kimber is not a Series 80. It has a completely different firing pin safety design (Swartz). The Kimber Warrior doesn't even have that, making it technically closer to the original than the Series 80 style Colt Rail Gun.
    Kimber makes plenty of 1911s that are not series 70.


    Regarding forged vs. bar stock, I guess the Kimber may just be closest to the original, as the originals were milled from bar stock. Of course, the Springfield is all forged.
    USGI 1911s use a forged slide and frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    The Kimber is series 80.

    The Colt is also made the closest to a original 1911. It has a forged slide and frame unlike the Kimbers milled bar stock frame.

    The Colt has the least amount of MIM parts between the three.

    The SA has a politically correct built in child lock.

    The SA is made in a 3rd world country. Although Imbel was a licensed FN contractor, their quality control isn't up to the standard of a 1st world company.
    Wow. Where does one start with all these nuggets of wisdom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Kimber makes plenty of 1911s that are not series 70.




    USGI 1911s use a forged slide and frame.
    Just because a gun is not "series 70" style does not mean it has a "series 80" firing pin safety system. There are other firing pin safety systems. There seems to be general consensus though that if you want to have a firing pin safety system....then Colt's series 80 style is the way to go, and not the Swartz (sp?) or any other type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STS View Post
    Wow. Where does one start with all these nuggets of wisdom?


    Go ahead and start.
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    Hopefully I make someone's day:

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