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Originally Posted by Sam

Agreed with everything Dr. K said.

BTW, I didn't know he is paralyzed from the neck down, although I thought he looked weird propping up in that chair on FOX.

Same, I had no idea he was paralyzed. I always did think he looked a bit strange though.

Originally Posted by Son of Vlad Tepes

I think that Dr. K is one of the best thinkers on the right and what is paraphrased in the OP's post seems to really hit the mark.

I will nitpick with one thing though: being a "far left progressive" is a de facto synonym with being a socialist, or as they are called in Europe, a Democratic Socialist.

American progressives have far more to do with communism than socialist.



Basically socialism is government controlled economy with worker owned operations. There is still disparity in pay and wealth with a semblance of a free market.


Communism is completely government owned economy, and everyone has the same basic standard of living.



I believe American progressives view unions as useful idiots, and would prefer government control in the long run. Part of this health care bill means all student loans will be administered by the government. Eventually health care will be controlled by the government, and unions like SEIU will be folded into the aparatus to become government workers.


Its just that the left knows they cannot do it in one fell swoop, and are doing it incrementally although the speed has gone way up since Obama took office. We've had numerous plants going back to the 20's and 30's to get us to this point. An all out revolution started by the left would never work. The people would not stand for it much less any president of the past. This is why groups like Weather Underground went "dark" because they realized bombing government buildings would never work. They turned to education to subvert the system, and start spitting out left leaning young people.


The reason they are often called socialists is because on the map socialism is on the road from capitalism to communism. They have been proposing socialist ideology for a long time. We've had tons of it in this country for decades. Now we are seeing the communist ideology emerge with student loans, and health care which is setting up the foundation for a communist health care system.


We started going socialist when FDR was president. Social security guarenteed a retirement. Then we got medicare and medicaid. SCHIP. Control of education started going from local levels and up to the Feds now. They weaseled into the home industry with Community Reinvestment Act. All these things are by designed to corrupt the capitalist system, and make socialist "ways" seem appealing by comparison. They promise to stop the abuses of the free market. They promise no one is going to get left behind. They promise everyone an equal opportunity in life. When these plans cause more problems they do the same thing, and its just a cycle until the government has total control over industry, and people wake up to a communist nation right before their very eyes.


As far as Obama specifically goes....he is very into himself, and see's himself on a god like level. A person who is going to right the wrongs in the world by giving everyone equality. Their version of equality is every has the same thing. Its communism. This extends to the world in his eyes. He doesn't see any nation being better than any other, and the only reason one nation is poor, and one nation is rich is because the poor nation was abused by the rich. When he went to Copenhagen look at what they were proposing. Taxing wealthy nations, and giving money to the poor nations to improve their industry. This just isn't inside the US. Its world wide for them. I've gotten into arguments with liberals who view the US as oppressing poor countries because we buy cheap goods from them, and that we should be paying them money to make our stuff so they have a standard of living comparable to the US. The reason Obama doesn't like nukes is because he sees it as our tool to bully smaller nations. He doesn't see them as a means to peace. He thinks he can secure peace by giving a speech or two, and apologizing to the world for us. You watch. Iran is going to get a nuke under his watch, and 100% guaranteed if he gets a 2nd term. He isn't going to do anything, and he is going to downplay the event as not being serious.


Of course his policies and ideology are going to be abject failures. Far left ideology has never worked as well as American capitalism. But I don't think he cares. I don't think he cares about unemployment levels or our debt. He'd rather have a poorly performing economy with his social/economic justice as opposed to a capitalist system that makes a wealthy nation but has 3 classes. He is going to keep blaring the blame Bush mantra years from now for his own failures. He'll ignore and downplay ones he can't get away with. He'll propose more far left ideology as being whats really needed to fix the problems. That's the scam the left has been playing on us for decades. They have the fix, which is a far left ideology, and when it causes problems or ends up as a failure the fix is always more far left crap. Social security was supposed to secure a retirement for people. Now the far left is proposing a "super social security" with more taxes because social security is turning out to be a failure. Medicare/medicaid/SCHIP was supposed to provide health care for the poor, the old, and our kids. That hasn't turned out well, and is way more expensive than ever imagined. Its also caused private insurance to be priced out of middle class hands because these programs pay doctors so poorly, and force them to treat people who don't pay insurance is now a huge hidden subsidy to these programs. Without private insurance these programs would have failed a long time ago or our hospitals would be no better than something from the 3rd world. Community Reinvestment Act, and other laws that have been passed to strengthen the CRA over the years have had a big impact on the current economy. Supply loans to people who cannot afford them, and then you get mass foreclosures. Mass foreclosures turned housing investments to shit, and there is so much money tied up in housing it was always a ticking time bomb. In each of these cases who gets the blame? Have you ever seen a liberal blame a government social program for causing a problem? No. They always say because they are too weak. They blame capitalism. They hate big businesses. They want the government to control it all because they think that's the only way to have equality and fairness in the world.

Originally Posted by MG Lincoln

Same, I had no idea he was paralyzed. I always did think he looked a bit strange though.

He's paralyzed from a diving accident. IDK if he's paralyzed from the neck or the waist down however. I've seen him slightly move his arms and head on Special Report though so maybe its the waist down. Either way, he's awesome in his analysis of things.

Did anyone else hear how they are going to use the IRS as their attack dog to enforce "Obama Care"?

uh oh Stupak scared and retiring, vote and run:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35585.html

Originally Posted by Ammo Sphere

Did anyone else hear how they are going to use the IRS as their attack dog to enforce "Obama Care"?

IRS estimated they need 16000 new agents to steal this money

Originally Posted by Gutshot John

It's far more satisfying than foaming at the mouth.

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Who is foaming at the mouth?

It is funny how lame "insurance" companies are using Obama as a spokesman trying to make it like he induces those infomercials. Is he selling his presidency for ad money or are they running these commercials and no one is doing anything about it?

Originally Posted by R/Tdrvr

He's paralyzed from a diving accident. IDK if he's paralyzed from the neck or the waist down however. I've seen him slightly move his arms and head on Special Report though so maybe its the waist down. Either way, he's awesome in his analysis of things.

I watched part of it tonight, and he seems to sway around when he talks.

Here is this B.S. HC bill, copy and paste it in your browser. Sit back and get ready for the B.S. to fly!

http://www.opencongress.org/search/r...21&submit.y=19

Whoops! Our estimates were a little off. Try 115 BILLION off. Well isn't it convenient this comes out after it was passed. Obama is the biggest joke of the century. Lord help us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100511/...overhaul_costs