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    Yeah, get a good gun, weather it be LMT, BCM, Colt or a S&W.

    I shot mine for a little while just like it came out of the box. The problem I realized immediately was my bad eyesight and using the BUIS at 50yds plus. I could hit a man at 50yds with irons but it may be in his johnson. I needed the RDS and the EOTech has been great for me and really improved my shooting ability.

    All the other things I added were the things that I wanted and they haven't really enhanced my shooting abilities or that of the gun. But, I think I have a nicer and more comfortable shooting weapon because of it.

    Get what you think you need then get what you want and have fun with it.

    And don't forget lots of ammo.

    Scoby

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNorris View Post
    For MY use, I can envision a white light add on as the only customized feature.

    I'm pretty close to buying a S&W MP15 with Troy flip up sights and a piccatinny type forend. Like I said earlier, I will probaly only add a white light when it is being used in a home/camp/truck protection mode. I MIGHT throw a scope on it 30 days out of the year for coyotes.
    I'm lost here.

    If you only want to mount a scope and a flashlight, then why the railed forend?

    Just put the scope on the flattop of the receiver, and mount the flashlight on the front sight base.

    You already seem to be a victim of the "gotta have it" or "see it, want it" mentality that you're questioning...

    Bimmer
    Last edited by Bimmer; 03-29-10 at 12:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog60 View Post
    Guys I understand about seeing what you shoot but that also works in reverse . If a bad guy is breaking into my home I don't think I'd telegraph myself with a light and I think I could hit mast with out one.Yes I know it could be Santa but Santa should not be there.We got along for a long time without the light on the barrel.
    This is a thread hijack but the benefits of having a light far outway the disadvantage of not having a light.

    Good luck shooting in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifleman2000 View Post
    This is a thread hijack but the benefits of having a light far outway the disadvantage of not having a light.

    Good luck shooting in the dark.

    I agree, I want a light on my weapon in the dark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog60 View Post
    Guys why add a light? I know so you can see that's a given but that also allows bad guys to see you.Just query.
    I think you are mistaking how a weapon light is used.
    You don't hear a bump in the night, grab your rifle, turn on the light and then go looking for the bad guy.

    The light stays off until you are int he proximity of the threat (it's rare that there will not be enough light, even at night, to see where an intruder is). Then, you aim the weapon, and engage the light. This does several things:
    1.) It allows identification of the target. Unless you are behind enemy lines, killing the enemy willy-nilly, you damn well better know what you are shooting at. This is especially true as a police officer or civilian who will have to go to court and explain to people who have no idea what the situation might have been, just exactly why you drilled someone. Doesn't matter if you live alone, you have to have a good reason you killed someone, and you WILL have to describe how you POSITIVELY identified the person as a threat worthy of lethal force.

    2.) It destroys the bad guy's night vision, and with the light pointed at them, blinds them and puts them at a severe disadvantage -- hopefully enough that they will cease and desist without driving you to shoot.

    3.) Provides a light background (illuminated perp) which enable you to have a better sight picture with or without a RDS.

    #3 is the reason most people will put a weapon light ahead of a RDS for a defensive rifle. At self defense ranges at home, you don't even really need to align sights. Put the front sight post on the target, or if you have a hard time seeing it, bracket what you want to hit with the front sight ears. This will put you on target -- you won't split hairs, but it'll be good enough -- very quickly. Don't believe me? Very few houses have a place you can shoot much over 45 feet. So go to the 15 yards line at the range. Set up a silhouette target. Then, standing with the rifle in your preferred ready position, mount the rifle as you would if you were going to line up the sights, but just put the front post on the silhouette where you want to hit it and fire. Do that several times. You'll have no trouble hitting the chest, and with practice, fist sized groups (good enough for e heart, or unobstructed head shot) at that range won't be difficult.

    But you need the light to ID what you are shooting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNorris View Post
    Thats good stuff Shivan, thanks.

    1: That the gap between the pistol grip and trigger guard needs to go, or I am going to need band-aids. Q: How do you fix that?

    2: The M4 enhanced or A2 stock needs to go because I hate how it slides around on my shoulder under recoil. Q: What do you prefer?

    3: It needs a sling mounting point on the end of the stock and on the fore-end OR alternately a sling mounting point on the receiver end-plate. Q: is this something I could do myself?

    4: I really like the Vltor light mounts, and they work best for me at 9 o'clock so the clamshell M4 fore-end has to go to.

    5: The A2 flash suppressor is not that great, so it get's replaced. Usually with a FS that works with my suppressor, sometimes not. Q: What don't you like about the stock flash suppressor?
    1. Changing to an enhanced trigger guard like the magpul one, MIAD grip, or adding a "gapper"
    3. Lot of aftermarket sling mounts can do this, some aftermarket stocks have QD sockets to aid in this
    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5ih_c_4yo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bimmer View Post
    ...and mount the flashlight on the front sight base...
    That is certainly an option, but I don't want my hand anywhere near the gas block/FS while shooting a lot. Which is learned from shooting a lot. You can't possibly know this sort of thing by shear intuition.

    You can also buy and try the SF M500, or attach rail pieces to your M4 handguards or get the MOE rail sections and the MOE handguards.

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    I understand your points

    Quote Originally Posted by The Morrigan View Post
    I think you are mistaking how a weapon light is used.
    You don't hear a bump in the night, grab your rifle, turn on the light and then go looking for the bad guy.

    The light stays off until you are int he proximity of the threat (it's rare that there will not be enough light, even at night, to see where an intruder is). Then, you aim the weapon, and engage the light. This does several things:
    1.) It allows identification of the target. Unless you are behind enemy lines, killing the enemy willy-nilly, you damn well better know what you are shooting at. This is especially true as a police officer or civilian who will have to go to court and explain to people who have no idea what the situation might have been, just exactly why you drilled someone. Doesn't matter if you live alone, you have to have a good reason you killed someone, and you WILL have to describe how you POSITIVELY identified the person as a threat worthy of lethal force.

    2.) It destroys the bad guy's night vision, and with the light pointed at them, blinds them and puts them at a severe disadvantage -- hopefully enough that they will cease and desist without driving you to shoot.

    3.) Provides a light background (illuminated perp) which enable you to have a better sight picture with or without a RDS.

    #3 is the reason most people will put a weapon light ahead of a RDS for a defensive rifle. At self defense ranges at home, you don't even really need to align sights. Put the front sight post on the target, or if you have a hard time seeing it, bracket what you want to hit with the front sight ears. This will put you on target -- you won't split hairs, but it'll be good enough -- very quickly. Don't believe me? Very few houses have a place you can shoot much over 45 feet. So go to the 15 yards line at the range. Set up a silhouette target. Then, standing with the rifle in your preferred ready position, mount the rifle as you would if you were going to line up the sights, but just put the front post on the silhouette where you want to hit it and fire. Do that several times. You'll have no trouble hitting the chest, and with practice, fist sized groups (good enough for e heart, or unobstructed head shot) at that range won't be difficult.

    But you need the light to ID what you are shooting at.
    I do understand but I would rather use NV than show where I'm standing. If someone has broken into my home how do I know that they are a threat they are there period. Thanks for the replys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog60 View Post
    If someone has broken into my home how do I know that they are a threat
    If someone has broken into your home, generally it is safe to say they are not there to bake cookies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog60 View Post
    I do understand but I would rather use NV than show where I'm standing. If someone has broken into my home how do I know that they are a threat they are there period. Thanks for the replys
    Now you're just being silly, do you have any idea what percentage of the gun buying public has access to NV gear? What about people who live with children or pets that make things go bump in the night, YOU WANT A POSITIVE ID ON WHAT YOUR SHOOTING. A white light is a relatively inexpensive and easy way to acheive this. There is NO arguing against that.

    Get a light, get some training. You'll find that nobody advocates lighting a threat up and standing there to take bullets, NOBODY DOES. You may give away your LAST position if your properly trained, but that's it, you get off the X
    Wanna discuss this more? Start a thread on it so you can get the real skinny from experts.
    /thread hijack.
    Last edited by spamsammich; 03-29-10 at 16:29.

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