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    I have three LMT complete rifles. One was put together at the factory. Never had a bit of problem. Unless I hear this from someone who does this for a living(like G&R) I think it is crap. My Noveske non blem lower was not finished as nice as my LMT lowers.
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    I think all AR manufacturers went through a decline during a 6-9 month span. Most of you are seeing those parts and pieces in your local gun shops now.

    At the end of the day, all that matters is reliability (not Fit and Finish). LMT has never been a slave to F&F.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I think all AR manufacturers went through a decline during a 6-9 month span. Most of you are seeing those parts and pieces in your local gun shops now.

    At the end of the day, all that matters is reliability (not Fit and Finish). LMT has never been a slave to F&F.
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    I think that the NRA web site said about 250,000 AR rifles were made last year. That's alot. I guess that is to be expected.
    "No you do not have to think; it is an act of moral choice. But someone had to think to keep you alive; if you choose to default, you default on existance and you pass the deficit to some moral man, expecting him to sacrifice his good for the sake of letting you survive by your evil." - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911pro View Post
    I think that the NRA web site said about 250,000 AR rifles were made last year. That's alot. I guess that is to be expected.
    I am not making any excuses for LMT and would send back anything that is not up to spec.




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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I am not making any excuses for LMT and would send back anything that is not up to spec.




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    Understood. That's why I buy from you. You know your stuff and your honest. Hell of a nice guy also.
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    "No you do not have to think; it is an act of moral choice. But someone had to think to keep you alive; if you choose to default, you default on existance and you pass the deficit to some moral man, expecting him to sacrifice his good for the sake of letting you survive by your evil." - John Galt

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    When it comes to making a buying decision I say go with LMT's ISO 9000 Certification over the opinion of a couple of internet sharp shooting yahoos.

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    Those that have guns with issues should post photos so that the rest of us can further contemplate the issue. A bit of missing or bad finish/anodizing, or machine marks and chatter are small issues few here are concerned with.

    I've seen several LMT complete guns, uppers and lowers in the last year or so. All were consistent with production over time, and none had any visible defect worthy of notice to a serious end user. With the exception of a couple of SBRs needing a bit of component balance, all ran like sewing machines.

    We need to quantify or define "bad", "poor", "slipping", etc for best discussion. The chips will fall where they do, and no one gets a pass for genuinely bad work, but let's get on the same page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I think all AR manufacturers went through a decline during a 6-9 month span. Most of you are seeing those parts and pieces in your local gun shops now.

    At the end of the day, all that matters is reliability (not Fit and Finish). LMT has never been a slave to F&F.



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    I'm not talking about F&F like the color being off. Im talking about trigger pin holes that are machined like shit. The pins are not tight in the lower. Castle nuts not being staked properly with very light stakes not displacing any metal if its staked at all.




    Like I said I have 2 LMT lowers purchased previously, and they were as good as you are going to get. Whatever they are doing now....they are slacking on QC. I even pointed it out to the clerk, and he said thats what they are being sent now. They had just gotten these lowers in the last 2 weeks since I was there last.



    Im one of the last people to bitch about minor things like the color being a little off but these were bad. Not just one but I looked at every single one trying to find one for a new upper thats on the way. There was not a single one I would buy. The straight pins and not being parked under the FSB don't bother me because Ive never heard of it causing a problem. I can easily see a problem if trigger pin holes are machined like crap, and you can wiggle the pin in the lower. Staking wouldn't bother me because I do most of my own anyways but I do expect more from LMT. Leaving unfinished metal that is very rough is also a no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    Those that have guns with issues should post photos so that the rest of us can further contemplate the issue. A bit of missing or bad finish/anodizing, or machine marks and chatter are small issues few here are concerned with.

    I've seen several LMT complete guns, uppers and lowers in the last year or so. All were consistent with production over time, and none had any visible defect worthy of notice to a serious end user. With the exception of a couple of SBRs needing a bit of component balance, all ran like sewing machines.

    We need to quantify or define "bad", "poor", "slipping", etc for best discussion. The chips will fall where they do, and no one gets a pass for genuinely bad work, but let's get on the same page.

    Agree. We also have to understand what the number of the "sampling" is. I see tons of LMT components. Have not had to reject ANY LMT products (at this time).

    When looking at statistical samplings of 2-5 lowers, uppers or complete rifles we need to understand the bigger picture. If we say that LMT puts out 1,000 lowers a month and 2% of them have machine chatter marks or bad anodizing then I wouldn't say that LMT doesn't have ANY issues and everything is normal and LMT is NOT "slipping."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    I'm not talking about F&F like the color being off. Im talking about trigger pin holes that are machined like shit. The pins are not tight in the lower. Castle nuts not being staked properly with very light stakes not displacing any metal if its staked at all.
    Gotcha. So the lower would not function properly?


    Like I said I have 2 LMT lowers purchased previously, and they were as good as you are going to get. Whatever they are doing now....they are slacking on QC. I even pointed it out to the clerk, and he said thats what they are being sent now. They had just gotten these lowers in the last 2 weeks since I was there last.
    Could be. Or the two-five you saw were just bad ones that escaped the system.



    Im one of the last people to bitch about minor things like the color being a little off but these were bad. Not just one but I looked at every single one trying to find one for a new upper thats on the way. There was not a single one I would buy. The straight pins and not being parked under the FSB don't bother me because Ive never heard of it causing a problem. I can easily see a problem if trigger pin holes are machined like crap, and you can wiggle the pin in the lower. Staking wouldn't bother me because I do most of my own anyways but I do expect more from LMT. Leaving unfinished metal that is very rough is also a no go.
    Understand.


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