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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    Those that have guns with issues should post photos so that the rest of us can further contemplate the issue. A bit of missing or bad finish/anodizing, or machine marks and chatter are small issues few here are concerned with.

    I've seen several LMT complete guns, uppers and lowers in the last year or so. All were consistent with production over time, and none had any visible defect worthy of notice to a serious end user. With the exception of a couple of SBRs needing a bit of component balance, all ran like sewing machines.

    We need to quantify or define "bad", "poor", "slipping", etc for best discussion. The chips will fall where they do, and no one gets a pass for genuinely bad work, but let's get on the same page.


    So serious bad machining doesn't affect them?


    The purpose of anodizing is to harden the surface of the AL, and secondary is to give the metal color. If you have pin holes that are not finished that means you have relatively soft metal in a wear spot. The anodizing is there to reduce wear, and an unfinished pin hole is going to wear out quicker than one that was finished.

    Also if you fail to machine the trigger pin holes round, and loose enough to where the pin wobbles in the lower...that will likely lead to problems down the road.


    As far as the LPK pieces I mentioned......they "look" like crap. I know how they look doesn't affect function. What Im saying is they do not look like what Im used to LMT seeing, and based on everything else I saw I can only assume the two are related to a lack of QC lately.


    The bottom line is I have no idea why people have come to accept bad parts as a mark of pride or something because they are a "serious end user". Colt has a good reputation for quality, and aside from a few lemons you wont see this kind of crap on their guns. You would certainly see good stake jobs, trigger pin holes machined well, pivot pin holes that are machined well, and actually anodized, etc. That is the type of thing I would expect to see on brands with far lower a reputation than LMT, and Ive always thought of them as being one of the better choices out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    The bottom line is I have no idea why people have come to accept bad parts as a mark of pride or something because they are a "serious end user". Colt has a good reputation for quality, and aside from a few lemons you wont see this kind of crap on their guns. You would certainly see good stake jobs, trigger pin holes machined well, pivot pin holes that are machined well, and actually anodized, etc. That is the type of thing I would expect to see on brands with far lower a reputation than LMT, and Ive always thought of them as being one of the better choices out there.

    I don't know anyone that accepts NONE FUNCTIONING parts. Now if we are talking about differences in anodizing or phosphating, then that is a totally different animal.

    I have seen tons of selectors and bolt catches that have phosphating that is not even (which is most likely what you saw). This doesn't affect a single thing.

    You have seen a small sampling of LMT. I personally would not start a thread like this unless I had seen hundreds of them over a long period of time. Reason being that you might have just saw a bad run of something. It happens to ALL manufacturers (to include Colt).

    In the end, you are paying the bill and if your not happy, don't buy it or contact LMT and advise them what you saw.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Gotcha. So the lower would not function properly?




    Could be. Or the two-five you saw were just bad ones that escaped the system.





    Understand.


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    There was not one I would buy at both stores, and one of them had 5 LMT lowers. They all had issues of one sort. Either the pivot pin holes being very rough and unfished and/or the trigger pin holes being machined to where the pin could be moved with your finger while in the lower.



    Staking, as I said, wouldn't be an issue for me because I can do it myself in a few minutes. It is not what I would expect off a top brand straight out of the box. If you are going to stake something either do it right or dont do it at all. When you half ass it, and the end result is crap then that is a representation of where your company's level of quality stands. One of the stores caters to LE, and while its not an issue for me there are going to be officers buying guns like this who probably don't know any better unless they are into AR's on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I don't know anyone that accepts NONE FUNCTIONING parts. Now if we are talking about differences in anodizing or phosphating, then that is a totally different animal.

    I have seen tons of selectors and bolt catches that have phosphating that is not even (which is most likely what you saw). This doesn't affect a single thing.

    You have seen a small sampling of LMT. I personally would not start a thread like this unless I had seen hundreds of them over a long period of time. Reason being that you might have just saw a bad run of something. It happens to ALL manufacturers (to include Colt).

    In the end, you are paying the bill and if your not happy, don't buy it or contact LMT and advise them what you saw.



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    So no one should comment unless they are a large volume dealer. I doubt anyone but the very largest dealers are seeing hundreds of samples. My local dealer has a hard enough time getting their orders filled as it is let alone seeing hundreds of guns.


    The point is to see if anybody else has noticed it too, and to explain what I saw in quite a few lowers from 2 dealers who received them from different shipments. If its an "isolated incident" so be it, and I hope the local places to me get some better examples in the future that I can buy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Agree. We also have to understand what the number of the "sampling" is. I see tons of LMT components. Have not had to reject ANY LMT products (at this time).
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    I think this is a good indicator of LMT overall quality(at least right now).
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    Unless tons of folks come forward with examples of non-functioning issues, I wouldn't be turned off from LMT. With a title like "LMT putting out junk" you would assume coming in here that there would be pictures of examples of said junk. You would be mistaken.

    Threads like these pop up all the time, that's why I continue to ignore them and take the word of folks who have done the research and provide the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    So no one should comment unless they are a large volume dealer. I doubt anyone but the very largest dealers are seeing hundreds of samples. My local dealer has a hard enough time getting their orders filled as it is let alone seeing hundreds of guns.
    You can do anything you like. You just have to remember your position in the universe. You do not do this for a living (meaning that you see a low number of LMT products). Hundreds is a bit much (agree). How about 20 a month at least? Then contacting fellow FFL dealers and asking them what they are seeing?

    We even contact certain firearms instructors and ask them what they are seeing. We then combine all this intel and form an opinion.

    The point is to see if anybody else has noticed it too, and to explain what I saw in quite a few lowers from 2 dealers who received them from different shipments. If its an "isolated incident" so be it, and I hope the local places to me get some better examples in the future that I can buy....
    Understand that you want to see if anyone else is noticing poor quality, but you never state that question in your post. You have pretty much written LMT off the "list" because of a statistical sampling of under 10 lowers. This just doesn't work for me (sorry).

    The problem with these types of threads is that the unsuspecting consumer sees this thread title, reads your post (never reads mine and others) and then walks away believing that LMT is junk.

    This is why these types of threads can be so destructive to a company.


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    Just picked up a new LMT BCG and it is not staked as well as my Bushmaster was. Not worth sending back to LMT but I will get it staked properly. (Forgot to ad the text) There is no contact with the left screw, it turned freely and was loose when I unwrapped it to inspect it. The right screw is well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msr View Post
    Just picked up a new LMT BCG and it is not staked as well as my Bushmaster was. Not worth sending back to LMT but I will get it staked properly.
    And what exactly is wrong with that stake job?

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    Recently ordered an LMT upper... runs like clock-work and had no F&F problems... probably manufactured within the last 4 months.

    BCM was staked perfectly on my product also
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