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    Quote Originally Posted by LMT42 View Post
    I'm not sure if LMT is slipping in the QC area or if this is a case of people piling on. It seems to me that LMT screwed up by not publicizing their switch to MIM gas keys. If MIM is better, or "as good", they should have marketed it that way. Plus, I hear they quit chrome lining the keys. By making the change without advertising it, they left the door open to conjuncture and speculation that it was a cost cutting measure for increased profits. As far as QC, I saw a post on the other site that showed clear pictures of cracking where the key was staked. I believe two different keys were photographed and several other posters claimed to have cracking around the staking. I would think this would be cause for concern. (If anyone calls BS I'll have to spend two days looking for the thread, but I will follow up and link to it.)
    I don't know that they needed to give a press release when they switched a part out. I switch parts out in my LPK's and I am not going to announce it every time.

    I do agree though that LMT should have handled it better. If you are going to switch a part (because it will save you money), then state just that. Also prove that it is just as reliable. There is nothing wrong with a company making money and finding ways to save money.

    To date though, I have not seen a single broken LMT gas key. So a lot of the concern over this is over blown IMHO.

    I'm thinking that LMT is a victim of their own success. They were a smallish company that perhaps grew too quickly and let their QC slip. Perhaps in an effort to fill orders, they're letting things through that would have been pulled in the past. Grant is probably correct that the majority of their products are still top notch, up to spec and people are just piling on. That comes with the territory though of being thought of as one of the best. Perhaps they should slow down and double down on QC. They should also publicize it when they change components if they don't want people to speculate.

    Just my two cents. FWIW my LMT is top notch all the way around. I bought it in August of 08 before the big rush though.

    They may be trying to push more products out the door faster than they should (don't know). More time will show us what is going on with the company.


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    I just want my new 308 to be as solid a weapon as my two MRP CQBs. If they can pull that off, I'll call it good.

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    I work on and sell quite a few LMTs. Other than an occasionally extremely tight triggerguard roll pin (only discovered when attempting to install a Magpul triggerguard). I've not seen any quality problems.

    My 10" LMT SBR is what I used in AOTTC II on day 2 and 3. I also used it at the M4C mods/staff class instructed by Larry Vickers in 2008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Fully understand that. This is why I would have done your post differently (personally). Something like this:

    Title: How is quality of your LMT?

    Body: I own two LMT lowers and they are very good. Went to two local gunshops and saw a handful of LMT lowers that looked on the rough side. What is everyone else experiencing with LMT lately?





    You can post whatever you want. I just wouldn't have done it the way you did based off your limited knowledge of the big picture. Why? Because it is typically unfair to the manufacturer. That is my only point.


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    People can post whatever they want in response to what I wrote. My comment about marking them off the list was meant more as of until I see they are shipping lowers that are machined correctly. I wasn't telling anyone not to buy LMT or saying everything they make is junk. What I saw was junk, and Im sure if you saw them in person you would happen to agree. Based on other reports Ive read in the last year or so LMT seems to be pushing out more product than they can reliably QC. I never used to see anything bad about them but the rare lemon. I've seen first hand reports of poor staking, and the rough pin holes previously. In fact now that I think about it I remember someone posting about their pivot pin holes not being finished at all, and I went to my dealer to see if theirs were like that too. This was last year, and their lower they had out was not finished in that area as well. Looked like the holes were machined post anodizing.



    They are actually one of my 1st choices when it comes to lowers. I like to inspect in person before I buy, and I recently found the 2nd dealer who stocks them. They are Quantico Tactical @ Ft. Hood if anyone is close they can go check them out. They had several lowers there, and all exhibited an issue that would make me not buy. Your standards, and other people's standards are likely different. What I saw is what I related here. Never said ALL LMT products are junk. Based on what I saw they are. Nothing more nothing less. I don't think I need to deal in 100's of product to make a post about something like this. If that were the case there would be about 5 people posting opinion about anything.


    I've bought a few thousand worth of LMT products over the past few years, and Id like to see them keep producing the same quality stuff I got used to. The quantity of QC related posts in regards to their products has gone up, though, and Ive seen it on 3 occasions now in person with dealer stocked items.

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    Somebody please close this thread!

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    In my experience the only AR manufacturer better at customer service than LMT has been Noveske. Top notch service, couldn't be happier.
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    This thread is done. If you have a problem with LMT contact LMT per M4Cs forum rules.
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