If I had to hit something with a stock, I'd use a sully stock.
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If I had to hit something with a stock, I'd use a sully stock.
"Life is short, but the years are long." - Robert A. Heinlein
The ACE SOCOM stock is made to hit people with.
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Agreed, however, the backward thinking mindset is not only restricted to the Marines, it is the senior NCOs and Officers across all the services. They all need to revisit critical adaptive thinking.
Totally agree. Not enough trigger time and range estimation prior to deployment, then sustaining that skill in country. It's safe to say that the average Infantryman, cannot effectively engage Tangos beyond 300M, regardless of the Service.A main causal factor behind the thought process (specifically, that the M4 isn't capable of bringing enough ass to a fight in the engagement distances found in Afghanistan) is a training issue, not a material one. The gun is capable, and this quantifiable. <snip...>
For God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before! The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling
I don't get that from what I've sen on the testing. What I see is that All 4 other rifles do ALL of these things Better than the M4 or M16.
Is the M4/M16 90% reliable? Couldn't prove it by me. But I don't frankly care if it is. If there's something better, which Army testing says there is plenty of, then I want the guys watching my back while I waltz my happy butt up to that bomb to have the best gear available.
I may get no additional use from Any rifle over my 1911 (I'm a lousy shot), but I'm the guy fiddling with the bomb, not the guy shooting the guy with the cell phone looking at me.
With the previous spin-off about new 1911s, Every combat unit is requesting a return to 1911s. The M9 isn't cutting it and never has. That move was made purely because of NATO. Of course, a switch to, say, Springfield XDMs would be good, too. Frankly, just need a heavier caliber, more reliable handgun in a combat situation. Cost us a lot of lives to learn that lesson 100 years ago.
Taran,
Your all over the place.
The Army testing showed some guns were "better" in one specific area, the dust chamber, not across the board.
90% reliable? your right not by me either, it would be more like 99.9% by my experience.
There are far to many real deal, trigger pullers, putting bad guys in the ground, with M4's and the 5.56, for me to buy all the standard tired old BS about we need 7.62/M14's and 1911's. Its all BS.
Guys want 1911's, because it what the cool guys used to use, because its the only alternative, they "know" of. Again, its a perceived need, and your falling into the trap.
Every unit is not requesting 1911's, in fact one unit, dumped theirs. The XD has been found wanting, btw.
How about we learn to properly maintain( as in lubricate, and replace worn parts) the weapons we have, learn to put rounds on target, and then maybe we can worry about seeing if we need a shiny new toy.
Bob
" Some people say..any tactic that works is a good tactic,...I say, anything can work once" former ABQ swat Sgt.
That's some major Fail there. You might want to read some of the XD threads around here. It is no where near reliable for combat use, let alone law enforcement. Maybe personal use, but not anyone here would recommend them for that. It's a Bubba gun, recommended by self proclaimed (read uninformed) gun experts (Brother in law, Friend, Gun shop guy, gun show snake oil salesmen, former ex Navy Seal Sniper friend of a friend, etc...).
Get a cup of coffee and read the XD threads in the handgun reference forum.
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For God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before! The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling
We should go back to the M1 Garand! It has a piston!
http://vuurwapenblog.com/2009/10/21/...on-the-garand/
I watched a show the other Night on history channel (I think) and it was talking about units Breaking out the M-14 for the Moth Balls and trying to Mod them in to a new platform (rails,retractable stock)they said they needed long distance and the M-14 fit that job
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