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Thread: Commandant throws in a plug for the M16A4

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    I agree with Armakraut more often than not:
    Quote Originally Posted by armakraut View Post
    I hope that man is made to carry an M16A4 with an ACOG and fully loaded KAC rail system every damn day until he retires or buys his men modern RIFLES.
    But in this case --not so much.
    Sounds like wasted mercy to me. Give The Leader an old , worn-out M14a-whatever-it-was with the bipod and the wierd stock. No optic. He can carry a full load of ammo in an old ragged BAR belt and an old canvas ruck. How many rounds of ammo? Same amount that the M4 guys carry.
    "... in common use at the time... for all lawful purposes... "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverine View Post
    Reserving opinion; promising, but I'll believe it when it stops being a bid proposal and becomes a Program of Record. Until then...suffice to say that it's likely to not survive first contact with the Gunner community.
    I don't think they will make that a POR, they will have to make it a part of the current POR for the rifle. Making it a separate POR would kill it because it would end up needing a POM.........

    But then again....who knows? They tried throwing MRAP R&D into culture & language last September.......


    Quote Originally Posted by Riverine View Post
    The Commandant's comments, in this case, are a public cop-out; blaming a gun for a systemic leadership failure on the part of the entire officer corps of the USMC, in which Marines don't get enough shooting time (with a functional weapon that's already in the inventory) to get desired results. The money is there; the ammo is there; the ranges are available.

    He may not be at fault for that, but as an officer, as THE officer, he's responsible for it. That's at the very core of what being an officer is. If he's taken a shot at a piece of gear with demonstrable failings within the idiom he made, cool. He didn't do that, and rates a dogpile. Perhaps even noogies.
    You know this...some things are not what they appear to be. I DON'T have any intel on this, it is only speculation. The guys in IW are doing some good stuff, but this stuff needs to be run through the ringer before we issue it in Rudy with the rusty rifle in the third rank that doesn't get the word.

    The moment that the Commandant publicly says something bad about the current issue rifle......EVERYONE on the hill will jump on this as a way to 'help' the Marines and force a solution on the Marine Corps that may or may not be what IW is working on. From what he said.........we have time to come up with a better solution than what the Hill would force on us.

    I could be totally wrong with my above assessment, but I have seen the same effect on programs that I manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armakraut View Post
    Someone more like Lt Col Asad Khan or Chesty Puller, and less like the current guy. They need to get someone with a lot more combat experience earlier in their career.
    I hear you brother but I just want to add, his combat experience is directly related to today's fight.

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    Not surprised to see an ignorant comment come from General Conway. He's the one that got the new tattoo policy rolling back in 07 (as if we didn't have anything else to worry about).

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrayoneone View Post
    0311 then 11B I left in 02. What service and MOS are you? Just for frame of reference to your posts.
    11C and now 15T, Army.

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    Question: Why is everyone here so opposed to the M16A4? Isn't the longer barrel better for velocity? Isn't Afghanistan rifle country?

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    I think what a lot of people (small people) are complaining that they can't shoulder the full length butt-stock as well in a flak and kevlar as they can the collapsible butt-stock of the M4.

    Also yes IMHO Afghan is a much more rifle friendly place that Iraq. But if they are getting in and out of vehicles as much in Afghan as we did in Iraq. I'd be in favor of M4s. At least to all team and squad leaders and NOT to the ****ing Staff and O unless they actually get their asses out on patrol and are doing real shit.



    *note: I haven't been to Afghan.

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    Oh, okay. Gotcha.

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    why dont they just change out to UBRs, even the same install, dont have to do end plate and castle nut business

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    Two cents:

    Riverine is pretty much on point.

    Combatives with an M4? Do some! One of the biggest flaws with the current combatives programs is that they emphasize Gi style BJJ. Rarely do units train in full kit on weapons retention, muzzle strikes, and weapon transitions against a resistive opponent. In MACP these were considered advanced techniques but it is now being realized that they need to be drilled down to the lowest level. Any serious CQB school has been teaching these techniques for a long time.

    Worried about the strength of your buttstock? There are many good after market options. I second the ACE SOCOM stock. Our top SFARTEC guy has used one on his last three deployments. He is also a Ju-jitsu black belt.

    We should have went with a 16" bbl from the beginning. The Israelis did this almost 20 years ago and have never looked back. We should also look at something in the 6mm range but that battle has been fought and pretty well lost in the DoD. Failing a caliber change, the USMC seems to be moving in the right direction - something along the lines of the 70gr Barnes OTM copper solid. And it's 'green'!

    More M14's? Not this shit again. The DMR was a step in the right direction. I am not sure the guys asking for M14's are doing their part with their issue weapon. 'We' have a bad habit of looking for new toys to make up for training deficiencies. I also think many think of these things as some sort of security blanket. Before going whole-hog on M14's or SR25's let's do a shoot off in full kit under simulated Afghanistan conditions. Too often these shoot offs look like a Camp Perry event. There are no leather jackets in a combat zone.

    Not all 'silverbacks' don't get it.

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