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    Subzero, your sig line pretty much sums up my recent observations.

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    Well, in OP's defense, all of the posts criticizing the BUIS were "from what I saw.." and "My friend's" and "if I'm not mistaken." Carlos D Jackal was the only one to offer a first-hand ownership account.

    Just some food for thought.

    To OP: No, I don't have experience w/ the PM136 sights, but Promag products are generally poorly regarded in the gun world for a reason. For that price (~$60), why not spring for the Magpul MBUS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    The bottom line is these sights are crap. At a minimum I would expect a buis to lock into place solidly, these don't. How do I know? I shot a rifle wearing them last weekend and they are verifiably, junk.
    See, that was the answer the OP wanted in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero View Post
    No, but I can read. Allow me to sum this thread up for you.

    OP posts about a product. Two people reply with firsthand information that they are crap. OP replies that he believes the company puts out some crappy products but this one is ok. Another replies that he has the product and it's serviceable. OP thanks the guy with the good opinion of the product.

    Clearly he's looking to validate the idea that he already has. This is a well known psychological tendency called the Confirmation Bias. People make up their minds first, then ask for "advice" to validate their opinions.
    Let me sum up the thread for you. The OP asked for opinions on a piece of equipment based on experience.

    Most of the replies were "I think", "I saw...", or "it's crap" without explanation or quantification. A lack of useful information.

    Then a bunch of others piled in to say that the OP was some loser that wanted affirmation for his pathetic choices.

    Then others jumped in to defend these asinine assertions.

    Then others jumped in to ratify the party line of "our rifles are for gunfighting blah blah blah we are experts blah blah blah".

    Then I was told to get bent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifleman2000 View Post
    Let me sum up the thread for you. The OP asked for opinions on a piece of equipment based on experience.

    Most of the replies were "I think", "I saw...", or "it's crap" without explanation or quantification. A lack of useful information.

    Then a bunch of others piled in to say that the OP was some loser that wanted affirmation for his pathetic choices.

    Then others jumped in to defend these asinine assertions.

    Then others jumped in to ratify the party line of "our rifles are for gunfighting blah blah blah we are experts blah blah blah".

    Then I was told to get bent.
    Sooo, basically you're saying this thread has gone to shit. I agree. It's pretty much my fault, so for that, I apologize to the OP. I was venting my frustration at not just this particular thread but several that have popped up recently. This happened to be the one that I tried to lend some experiential first-hand knowledge. Like other similar threads I have noticed recently, the OP seemed to have already made up his mind, based on his response & it didn't really matter what anyone had to say except for the single poster that agreed with him.

    It is not my intention to discourage questions like the one posted here. I don't pretend to be a gunfighter whose life depends on his AR either. However, there is value in shutting up and spending some time reading, using the search function, etc. around here. Many of the topics, brands & accessories brought up for discussion around here have been thoroughly discussed in the past. If you want to know if something is good to go, this is an excellent place to find out. Check out the stickies & spend some time with the search function.

    But, I stand by my original point, don't ask for someone's opinion on the cheapest, bargain bin, airsoft junk accessories that you just bought unless you are prepared for someone to tell you exactly what you wasted your hard earned money on. Why bother asking if you are going to ignore the facts? Now THAT is asinine.

    Rifleman, you make a good point by reminding us that we should observe some common courtesy around here. Sorry that someone felt it was necessary to make a remark like that.

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    Ok then, took two pages for me to find out who I am, and what I think. Woohoo damn I feel so enlightened.

    Here's the deal:
    I know promag has put out some crappy shit ie. my familiarity with there Saiga 12 magazines.

    If you do a search on Google, you'll find tons o crap about there magazines.
    Now do a search on there sights... Nada,nothing,nunca.

    On this forum if you do a search you will find lots of picture threads with ProMag sights on user submitted pictures. So apparently somebody has bought this shit before. No one has written a review. So I asked a question:

    The first response knows nothing first hand and refers to them as airsoft, I'm pretty sure they've been making GUN stuff since way before airsoft even started. Maybe substandard, ie. "hi-point"ish but there is still a standard.

    The second is from Stickman, and I respect his opinion, but it was "I saw someone else's", and I figured it was probably in some hi-speed class that he attended, so really didn't apply to my situation.

    The third was buy magpul. You type in MBUS in the search at the top of the page and you get lots and lots of info. I'm pretty versed on that subject, this one not so much.

    Therefore when Carlos interjected I thanked him for his input, because that was the kind of review that I wanted. Someone who actually owned them. My thinking being I think I would like the GG&G Mad series. This would be a cheap alternative that I could range shoot for a while to see if I liked the sight picture they offered. Then if I don't like them I'm out 40$ and not 200$, and hell if they work well BONUS!!

    I also knew that most would just spout crap, because they were not a Noveske, Colt, or Knights. Which is pretty much what happened save a few replies. The truth is I'm not asking to be validated by anyone who is a legend in there own mind. Just if these sights would be an adequate sight that would replicate the version I am thinking of purchasing later...

    You know what, hell with it I'm gonna buy 10 pair, mount them in series on a Noveske upper, and Post a picture in every forum. That will show'em

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    I guess you missed post #5 with specific complaints about them.

    If all you want to do is see if you would like the GG&G MAD-style sight, it's cheaper than buying the real thing. On the other hand, if you're going to get the MAD anyway, don't waste your $40 on these. Just buy the GG&G. If you don't like it, you can sell it off "like new" at a $40 discount and you're done... buy once, cry once.

    I have bought and sold alot of parts over the years. If you don't beat up the parts until you know they are functionally what you are looking for, you can usually get back 85-90% of your investment if you decide to resell.

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    don't skimp on sights. if you want a good folding buis, Troy or KAC are the ticket.
    “If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.”

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    I read pretty well actually. If you look at post #5, you'll see that you wrote that it had a different aperature as in A2 style. I figured you were talking about the other type of sights that they offer that is similar to the UTG or ARMS sights, which I know have lots of problems with the springs that hold the sight up once extended. So therefore once again was not an answer to my specific question.

    Here's the deal. I have a 5.45 upper coming in, probably next week. I also have 2100 rounds sitting in there tins in my garage. I want to get the GG&G sights, but not sure if I will have buyers remorse because of the sight picture. Plus the fact that I won't have the surplus cash for a month or so more like 3 for 200$ sights.

    When my upper gets here I want to shoot it, that is what I like to do, so I'm probably gonna put something inexpensive on it so I can just sling lead. That's it. I just wanted to know if it will cinch down secure without stripping, hold a zero, and be reasonably accurate for getting the feel of the 5.45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozzle13 View Post
    You know what, hell with it I'm gonna buy 10 pair, mount them in series on a Noveske upper, and Post a picture in every forum. That will show'em
    That sounds like a good idea actually. Since they aren't reviews on these, you should be a scapegoat and try them. Then come back on the forum and let us know what you think. Granted we all know the sight aren't going to hold up in a course, but most people aren't going to courses. It sounds like a cheap alternative for plinking

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