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    Just don't slap it!!!
    I have about 20 PMags and have never had the issue you describe. Give Magpul a shout they will probably send you a new one. I am getting mine for $39 for three PMags shipped. Non window of course, I see no need for the window.

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    +1 on push/pull, slapping is for pistol mags, where you cant pull
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    The slapping thing is an old bad habit carried over by those that used aluminum mags and always had them fully loaded. They were damn near impossible to insert into the magwell.

    As Grant mentioned a simple push/ pull will work fine.



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    I was given an MSAR STANAG mag that wouldn't hold it's ammo. I put 11 rounds into it and by the time I got it to the mag well, it would have 8. The plastic is just too soft. I'm not sure why I still have it but it's rattling around in the trunk of my car. You might say I have a little 'junk' in the trunk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Slapping the bottom of the mag is not the proper technique.

    Use the push/pull method to insert the mag.



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    You got that right Grant. Somebody has been watching to many movies!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roklok View Post
    You got that right Grant. Somebody has been watching to many movies!!!

    i tap/slap my mags and always have but with the BOLT closed.

    not sure why people are so tough on the OP

    Tap rack bang
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    Tap, rack, bang (TRB) is jargon for the emergency corrective procedure for a semi-automatic firearm or an automatic firearm after a failure to fire ("stoppage"), which usually gives an audible "click" as the firing mechanism fails to fire a round. This sound tends to be trained to act as a reactionary cue to commence the corrective procedure, unless the operator knows the magazine is simply empty. The procedure is effective for most common failures, such as defective ammunition or improperly seated magazines. In British military parlance these drills are called "Immediate Actions".

    1. Tap refers to the first action; that is to tap the magazine. This is to ensure that the magazine is properly engaged in the firearm so that it feeds properly. As typically taught in tactical firearms courses, the "tap" is considerably more than a tap and in the case of a semiautomatic pistol is usually accomplished by slamming the gun hard into the palm of the other hand, magazine end down.
    2. Rack refers to operating (cocking or cycling) of the slide of the firearm. This will serve to eject a miss-fired round – that could be a possible cause of the stoppage – and chamber the next round.
    3. Bang simply denotes the action of firing the firearm following the first two steps.

    While the 'Tap, Rack, Bang' is effective in the vast majority of cases, it is not effective in all cases. Some failures, such as a case becoming lodged in the breech or breakage of the firearm, require more complicated maintenance or even attention from a gunsmith. However, under emergency conditions (such as combat) it is still the first procedure followed. It rules out most simple cartridge-related failures of the weapon and should be done before field-stripping the firearm to gather further information. It is also advisable to execute this drill before taking additional time to produce and use a back-up firearm.

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    not just movies

    In the air force we are trained to do this if our weapon doesn't fire. In basic we shoot Vietnam era M16s so they jam and fail a lot. The following sight is our Airman's Manual that we are issued and it supposedly gives all we need for deployment situation and a bunch of other crap. The acronym SPORTS is on page 116.

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    SPORTs is near-worthless. No credible trainer teaches it. It is a vestige of a bygone era.

    It is in truth remedial action when a situation calls for immediate action.

    Tap (push/pull)-Rack-(aim)Bang is the correct first step. If that does not work, a rip drill is the next step and it would be the proper remedial action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    SPORTs is near-worthless. No credible trainer teaches it. It is a vestige of a bygone era.

    It is in truth remedial action when a situation calls for immediate action.

    Tap (push/pull)-Rack-(aim)Bang is the correct first step. If that does not work, a rip drill is the next step and it would be the proper remedial action.
    Agreed. I went through in 06 so I can not say that is still being taught to basic trainees but it is still in the current manual. Seems like the air force needs to get with the times.

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    nevermind. dumb joke
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