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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
    You know DD is coming out with an 18" middy length pencil soon----
    Be still my heart...that would be great.

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    ChicagoTex, nice explanation.

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    ChicagoTex, nice explanation.
    Why, thank you.

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    my rifle gas 16" .. has gas port of .110
    runs everything i feed it .. reliably and smoothly.
    i like it alot.
    i started this life with nothing.....kept most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahwarrior1423 View Post
    I was thinking rifle gas system for softer shooting.
    Fun gun or defensive use?

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    I've played around with gas port size and location quite a bit... you can get a 16" with Rifle Length system to run... but as I recall, all of the test guns were single shots when we froze them.

    Short story is we did not spend a lot of time on the concept, because the 16" with Mid-Length will always be a better solution.
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    As for port size, location, dwell and all of that... seems a lot of folks don't get the "big picture"

    The only real important pressure is the max/operating pressure inside of the BCG - that pressure is a function of the following:

    Gas Pressure at the port
    Port Size
    Barrel diameter
    Time the pressure stays high (dwell)
    Lock Time - the time the BCG remains locked, while pressure is allowed to build

    Changing any on of these will change the pressure in the BCG - and of course, changing any one of these will most likely mean one or more of the others needs to be changed to compensate.
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    Neither of the 20" M16A2-profile Colt barrels I had cut down to 16.1", crowned and rethreaded ran well with anything less than MX193/XM855 power 5.56mm. They also stopped running when they got a little dirty, the additional friction was too much. I'd clean it, it would run another 2-300 rounds, and then start short stroking. I had my gunsmith open up the gas ports to .105, and they cycled a bit more violently than I liked, and still didn't like Wolf ammo. Even then, the gun didn't like any USGI mags with anything less than full power, new springs. This was about 9 years ago, better mags weren't an option at pre-2004-sunset prices, and PMAGS were still in the future. Eventually, I just sold both barrels off with disclaimers.

    I wouldn't do it again, it seemed there was no margin for error for weak mag or extractor springs, worn parts, filthy or dry internal conditions ...the gun only worked under ideal circumstances. It was a way to use a barrel I had gotten for cheap - even then, 20" barrels were not as in-demand- and was free to have cut down, as I worked with a gunsmith's shop on site.

    I've used mid-length gas with 14.5" and 16" barrels with great success, and rifle gas with 18" and 20" barrels with similar success. I now have a 16" "Dissipator" clone from PSA, with mid-length gas tube under rifle length MOE handguards out to a FSB. It scratches my weird itch to own a 16" that looks like a cut down 20", and works as well as any other 16" Middy I own. Best of all possible worlds.

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    Well, it's 16" and rifle length gas .... but it's 308.

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    I'm pretty sure Delton makes one of these barrels that you are looking for, however I agree with the above poster that you won't have proper dwell and will have an oversized gas port. Better in my opinion to go 16" with a mid length.
    -Thomas

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