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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba04 View Post
    I like the idea of a the handstop. I wish someone would make a cheap polymer version of it.
    Click here

    EDIT, sorry, they're NOT polymer...
    Last edited by pittbull; 04-05-10 at 18:03.
    E=mc^2+/-3db

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    I like the idea of a the handstop. I wish someone would make a cheap polymer version of it.
    For the record, we already have our handstop modeled for the injection molding
    process. We even designed custom threaded inserts specifically for it and we are
    ready to cut the tooling required to produce them. However, what you don't
    realize are the costs involved to injection mold a part. You may want it "cheaper",
    but cheaper equates to a huge increase in cost for the manufacturer. This cost
    has to be able to be recouped from the sales of the part in question. If the
    market demand isn't high enough to justify these costs, these is zero point in
    moving forward.

    The tooling alone will run you over 40k. Unless you offshore the tooling at a 40%
    cost reduction and use lesser quality ( aluminum ) materials. Which of course will
    drastically reduce the life of the tooling. Tooling, even well maintained has a finite
    lifespan. The cost of the tooling has to be amortized into the equation as well.

    So at 40k for the tooling, and lets just ballpark the retail of the part at $20 ( is
    that cheap enough? ), you would have to sell 2,000 units just to recoup the cost
    of the tooling alone. This of course doesn't account for the cost to produce the
    2,000 units either or the amortization of the tooling itself.

    See where I am going with this?

    Just because you want something cheaper, doesn't always mean it can or should
    be produced.

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    Everyone always wants things "cheaper", im one of them however i put a desire to have a "better" product before price.

    One great thing about buying weapon accessories is that for the most part alot of components like stocks, weapon controls, optics etc generally dont have a lifespan.

    Ive been using certain stocks for well over ten years now and they're still working as well as they did from day one. Sure, they're beat up but on average, they cost me about 80 dollars. 80 dollars for ten years of use is pretty good in my book.

    Parts like these handstops essentially have an infinite lifespan and can be moved from weapon to weapon without fear of losing zero or breaking the part.

    Spending the dosh on a couple pieces of kit that will last a lifetime is well worth it in my opinion and im a broke college student and small business owner so its sometimes ramen noodles for a month if i want to buy ammo.

    Yeah i know, my priorities are ass backwards...dont judge me.

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    I shouldn't have said cheaper, I should have worded what differently.

    I don't want something "cheap", I want quality and if that means I have to pay twice as much, I will. I would rather pay for something to be manufactured without courners being cut and made in the USA then send my money over seas for something of equal or less quality.

    For the record I think the price for yall's metal hand stop is a pretty fair price.

    Will a polymer version go into production?

    Quote Originally Posted by JTrusty View Post
    For the record, we already have our handstop modeled for the injection molding
    process. We even designed custom threaded inserts specifically for it and we are
    ready to cut the tooling required to produce them. However, what you don't
    realize are the costs involved to injection mold a part. You may want it "cheaper",
    but cheaper equates to a huge increase in cost for the manufacturer. This cost
    has to be able to be recouped from the sales of the part in question. If the
    market demand isn't high enough to justify these costs, these is zero point in
    moving forward.

    The tooling alone will run you over 40k. Unless you offshore the tooling at a 40%
    cost reduction and use lesser quality ( aluminum ) materials. Which of course will
    drastically reduce the life of the tooling. Tooling, even well maintained has a finite
    lifespan. The cost of the tooling has to be amortized into the equation as well.

    So at 40k for the tooling, and lets just ballpark the retail of the part at $20 ( is
    that cheap enough? ), you would have to sell 2,000 units just to recoup the cost
    of the tooling alone. This of course doesn't account for the cost to produce the
    2,000 units either or the amortization of the tooling itself.

    See where I am going with this?

    Just because you want something cheaper, doesn't always mean it can or should
    be produced.

    Last edited by bubba04; 04-05-10 at 20:15.

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    For me the KAC handstop works best where you do not have the option to completely extend your support arm, for my rifles that have the longer forends, the AFG is ideal for me. I have teh KAC handstop on an 11.5 upper and it's great, I place it between my ring and pinkie finger which allows me to pull the weapon into my shoulder. My only complaint is the slick surface. I have placed grip tape on it, but it eventually gets ripped off. A polymer handstop that could be stipled would be a big improvment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTrusty View Post
    For the record, we already have our handstop modeled for the injection molding
    process. We even designed custom threaded inserts specifically for it and we are
    ready to cut the tooling required to produce them. However, what you don't
    realize are the costs involved to injection mold a part. You may want it "cheaper",
    but cheaper equates to a huge increase in cost for the manufacturer. This cost
    has to be able to be recouped from the sales of the part in question. If the
    market demand isn't high enough to justify these costs, these is zero point in
    moving forward.

    The tooling alone will run you over 40k. Unless you offshore the tooling at a 40%
    cost reduction and use lesser quality ( aluminum ) materials. Which of course will
    drastically reduce the life of the tooling. Tooling, even well maintained has a finite
    lifespan. The cost of the tooling has to be amortized into the equation as well.

    So at 40k for the tooling, and lets just ballpark the retail of the part at $20 ( is
    that cheap enough? ), you would have to sell 2,000 units just to recoup the cost
    of the tooling alone. This of course doesn't account for the cost to produce the
    2,000 units either or the amortization of the tooling itself.

    See where I am going with this?

    Just because you want something cheaper, doesn't always mean it can or should
    be produced.

    I would be interested in a polymer version

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    I like the idea of it being stippled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    I would be interested in a polymer version
    At half the price of AL, I would too.

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    knac hand stop

    Quote Originally Posted by bubba04 View Post
    I like the idea of a the handstop. I wish someone would make a cheap polymer version of it.
    some one does make a polymer 1 ergo grips

    u can get it form brownells about20.00+/-
    i have 1 have not had time to play with it. the fron needs some work to smooth out. need to find a belt sander.

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjw View Post
    some one does make a polymer 1 ergo grips

    u can get it form brownells about20.00+/-
    i have 1 have not had time to play with it. the fron needs some work to smooth out. need to find a belt sander.

    good luck
    Can you post the link, I cant find it. Thanks.

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