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    My feelings are not hurt, I just do not appreciate people who add nothing to the question but comments such as it was said. I did do some research, I asked various gun shops, including one who did not sell the Ruger and all of them said they did it right. I do not spend hours a day on a computer. I watched some youtube videos, I read independent articles and all said it was a good weapon for the money. What did all of you do before the internet? I bet you went to the gun shop, gun range, and picked up a magazine like I did.

    If it was a POS they would not be sold out in my area. I love how people say do more research, do this do that, do you take a year to make a decision on buying a firearm? I don't, I may take 2 weeks at best. I do not make an impulse buy. Not sure where else I was supposed to look, but I did do some research. Even asked a Thurston county sheriff I know, he said it was awesome and I did not need to spend $2500 when I could spend $1400.

    But whatever guys, it is much easier to say in hindsight, and easier to blast someone online.

    Out of all of this, the best answer was to talk to Seth, and I appreciate that.

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    Hotsauce,

    I know some of the responses were a little harsh, that is life. Exactly how do you know if you are reading an "independent" article or not?

    Whether they are sold out in your area or not has nothing to do with the issue. I used to live in your area. During the first part of Obama-mania everything was selling out to include DPMS, OLY Arms, Bushamster, you name it. The market has only been really catching up since late 2009.

    I have a few questions for you.

    1. What did you pay for the Ruger?

    2. Did you ever consider a Colt 6920, DDM4 or similar?

    3. Did you ever consider a direct impingement weapon at all or were you allured by the piston hype?

    Just an FYI to you. I didn't get back into the AR game until around 2006. My first purchase was a Noveske upper. I had had plenty of experience with Colt, LMT and Bushamster. When I made the leap for my Noveske upper I asked those that I knew and I looked at the specs. I also did a considerable amount of reading and based on what I learned made my choice. I don't regret it all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce View Post
    My feelings are not hurt, I just do not appreciate people who add nothing to the question but comments such as it was said. I did do some research, I asked various gun shops, including one who did not sell the Ruger and all of them said they did it right. I do not spend hours a day on a computer. I watched some youtube videos, I read independent articles and all said it was a good weapon for the money. What did all of you do before the internet? I bet you went to the gun shop, gun range, and picked up a magazine like I did.

    If it was a POS they would not be sold out in my area. I love how people say do more research, do this do that, do you take a year to make a decision on buying a firearm? I don't, I may take 2 weeks at best. I do not make an impulse buy. Not sure where else I was supposed to look, but I did do some research. Even asked a Thurston county sheriff I know, he said it was awesome and I did not need to spend $2500 when I could spend $1400.

    But whatever guys, it is much easier to say in hindsight, and easier to blast someone online.

    Out of all of this, the best answer was to talk to Seth, and I appreciate that.



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    Surplus Ammo and Guns in Lakewood has Colt 6920s in stock for under $1150. If Ruger were to give me the same response the gave you, I would get on Little Nickel, seattleguns.net, etc. and sell that Ruger. Then I would pay Surplus Ammo a visit and go home with a nice, tried and true rifle. As much as I support and approve of Seth's solution to the carrier tilt problem, I do not feel that the AR needs to be a piston gun. I would much rather have a gun that was specifically designed to run with a piston/op-rod like an XCR, ACR, SCAR, or AK>

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    I had a colt about 10 years ago and had to sell it for financial reasons. It was a good rifle. I did look at the colts, but from what I inquired about they said go to the piston design for better reliability. I heard this over and over. They said get an LMT or Les Baer. I could not justify over $2k for one.

    I paid $1400 out the door for my rifle. I did a search on the ruger, and there were many online reviews, as I said, I watched video of everyday joe's talking about their rifle and most were good. I did see a few, even one on Rugers website about the carrier tilt. That being said, I was told that was common for a piston gun. And the ruger was a great priced rifle for waht you get. I was told to stay away from CMMG piston rifles and Olympic arms, which is about 15 minutes from my home.

    I just found this site from a colleague of mine who is knew about the site. I do not like forums for this very reason, you get smart ass comments, and most on here hide behind a keyboard, and would never talk like they do here infront of me, or most anyone else. There are exceptions however. I figured I would ask a question and get an answer, not smart comments. Kinda like when you buy a Ford and have something happen, and some jerk says, should of bought a Dodge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamsammich View Post
    Surplus Ammo and Guns in Lakewood has Colt 6920s in stock for under $1150. If Ruger were to give me the same response the gave you, I would get on Little Nickel, seattleguns.net, etc. and sell that Ruger. Then I would pay Surplus Ammo a visit and go home with a nice, tried and true rifle. As much as I support and approve of Seth's solution to the carrier tilt problem, I do not feel that the AR needs to be a piston gun. I would much rather have a gun that was specifically designed to run with a piston/op-rod like an XCR, ACR, SCAR, or AK>
    Funny you say that, I just found out about them in the last week, my new favorite gun store.

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    I usually keep my mouth shut around here but always lurking. You are not going to find a more knowledgeable bunch of people with such easy access to answers anywhere else. Try not to be so rude.

    And so I don't derail this thread any furthur here's my humble advice:

    Sell it and buy a BCM, DD, Colt or Noveske. Forget the piston thing unless it's NFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nacho View Post
    I usually keep my mouth shut around here but always lurking. You are not going to find a more knowledgeable bunch of people with such easy access to answers anywhere else. Try not to be so rude.

    And so I don't derail this thread any furthur here's my humble advice:

    Sell it and buy a BCM, DD, Colt or Noveske. Forget the piston thing unless it's NFA.
    So I am rude after I got attacked? Hmm, OK, if you say so.
    Last edited by Hotsauce; 04-14-10 at 14:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce View Post
    Funny you say that, I just found out about them in the last week, my new favorite gun store.
    Me too, and their prices for ammo and guns are very competitive if you factor in the added cost of shipping vs sales tax. I try to keep as much of my money as local as possible. Regarding reliability of the piston AR vs the DI, there really isn't that much conclusive proof that the piston is better, the jury is very much out on this as far as I've seen. You're welcome to shoot the shit out of some of my DI ARs if you want to see for yourself, ammo aint on me though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce View Post
    Also, I have a aimpoint m3, I plan to put a 3x magnifier on the rifle, but I do not have one now. Should I move it towards the end of the rifle or keep it close to the back of the upper? I do not want to have to re-sight the rifle with or without the magnifier. Also, is the twist off or spring to the right of the scope a better mount? I like the advantages of both, but hate to get that magnifier snagged on a something when I am chasing zombies.
    As bkb0000 said, mounting the RDS as far forward possible provides a better field of view. Primary advantage being that it equates to faster acquisition of the red dot that translates to faster transitions between target to target. And the better field of view helps when shooting in awkward positions like supine or roll-over-prone. Some try to find a happy medium by moving the optic where it provides a better balance - C.G. (Center of Gravity). There shouldn't be a need to rezero after using a magnifier on a RDS. Though, technically, there might be some slight parallax issues with using the RDS with and without magnifier, but I don't believe it is enough to make a noticable shift in your grouping based on my experience using one, then again I never had access to a range past 100 yards to see if the slight parallax affect is more pronounced. There are good mounts out there, LaRue flip-to-side is an example, with the QD lever if you don't like having it on you could easy take of off completely, or move it out of the way when shooting close up, and flip back when taking a longer shot that some magnification could help.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce View Post
    I just found this site from a colleague of mine who is knew about the site. I do not like forums for this very reason, you get smart ass comments, and most on here hide behind a keyboard, and would never talk like they do here infront of me, or most anyone else. There are exceptions however. I figured I would ask a question and get an answer, not smart comments. Kinda like when you buy a Ford and have something happen, and some jerk says, should of bought a Dodge?
    This happens on forums no matter where you go, but I find M4carbine.net tends to have it controlled very well. Moreover the forum has a wealth of information from members that have vast experiences and lives depend on their weapon systems - thus they tend to be frank about their views, which I find has more weight than other AR or gun forums that tend to have more recreational shooters than door kickers.
    Last edited by Ming_the_Merciless; 04-14-10 at 18:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsauce View Post
    So I am rude after I got attacked? Hmm, OK, if you say so.
    Bullshit. You came in here, demanding free information, in a rude way (with your first and second post, btw) and then acted all ass-hurt when you got the truth.

    Your rifle is a POS. You got ripped off. Grow up and live with it.

    Repeat after me:

    1. Everyday Joes are idiots. Listening to their idiotic reviews gets you screwed.

    2. Gun stores don't know anything about the AR15. Listening to them, gets you screwed.

    3. Cops don't know anything about guns. Listening to them, gets you screwed.

    4. Gun magazines always write positive articles about guns that advertise in their magazines. Listening to them, gets you screwed.

    5. Guns being popular sellers is no indication of quality; listening to that, gets you screwed.

    Bottom line, you got screwed; that becomes our problem, how? Now, you can either fix your POS by spending even more money on it (hopefully) or you can unload it on some other stupid schmuck. I don't care either way, I am just entertained by your overinflated sense of entitlement and bull-headedness.

    If you'd like to stick around and actually learn something, this is the place to do it. But you need to STFU a little for it to work.

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