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Thread: I get the feeling that many people don't realize how accurate Iron Sights can be

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallDodge View Post
    I think the term "accurate" is being misused here.

    When I think of iron sights, I think more difficult to use. Those that have mastered them have spent some serious time behind the wheel.

    I have shot 3-gun with a guy that shoots irons and at that time he placed in the top three 3-gunners in the area. That doesn't make iron sights better, it only indicates that this guy knew how to shoot and shoot well.
    The point.

    Someone got it.

    The training is the key which is why I agree with the Major in his paper about the 0.5k
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87GN View Post
    Every time I'm at a 600 yard match with a scoped bolt action rifle, and someone with an iron sighted AR outshoots me, I am made acutely aware of what irons are capable of.

    However, my ability to identify a target at 600 yards with even a 1-4 scope, let alone a 4.5-14, is much better than theirs...
    I won't begrudge the advantage of target ID, especially with the ROEs that I hear about.

    The only point I make is that training will make the bullet and target meet at 600.
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    Nothing wrong with iron sights; everyone should be able to use them. However, there are better options out there than irons.

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    I'm a pretty good shot but without a rest of sorts at 600yds, I doubt I could hit a truck.

    The ability to hold on target with irons or ANY optics at long ranges offhand is what impresses me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    With a looped sling in the prone, right? Extreme example. I've done it myself out to 500 in the Marines. Doesn't mean it's the solution. This is a tactically oriented forum so realize folks are talking about doing more than sitting there on the KD course carefully applying sight black and cinching up that sling.
    Army is pop-ups out to 300m right? and they only have to knock it down right? (so they don't know where exactly they hit)

    USMC is out to 500 and they show groups right?




    So with an A2 out on a two-way range, with the target at 400m:

    The basically trained Soldier would say:

    "That looks farther than 300m ................... I think .................... and its definitely bad guys, but I can't even touch that"


    The basically trained Marine would say:

    "That looks farther than 300m .................. might be 400m ................ and its definitely bad guys, let's give it a shot."



    Am I totally off base?

    If I'm even remotely on base here then the only difference is training. The Marine has the confidence, having done it in Basic, to at least take the shot and do so with a reasonable chance of hitting the target.

    At worst fire superiority is achieved because the rounds are close, putting the enemy's head down, and at best its a hit putting the enemy out of the fight.
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    I can shoot irons about twice as more accurately than I can an Aimpoint (even with a magnifier) but the irons are slower for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danpass View Post
    Army is pop-ups out to 300m right? and they only have to knock it down right? (so they don't know where exactly they hit)

    USMC is out to 500 and they show groups right?
    Yup, at least when I was in (95-04). I shot expert on bother Army and Marine ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    I can shoot irons about twice as more accurately than I can an Aimpoint (even with a magnifier) but the irons are slower for me.
    +1. Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    I can shoot irons about twice as more accurately than I can an Aimpoint (even with a magnifier) but the irons are slower for me.
    +1...This plays into what the RCOs were designed for; rapid target engagement. Shooting with iron sights out to 600 yds isn't that difficult but it is slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuckatelli View Post
    Shooting with iron sights out to 600 yds isn't that difficult but it is slower.
    Especially when the target is not Target Indicator Black against a white background as pictured above.
    Last edited by Submariner; 04-06-10 at 17:30.
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