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Thread: I get the feeling that many people don't realize how accurate Iron Sights can be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    A report?
    Our report is dirt-napping booger eaters with impunity.
    Semper
    Quote of the month material right there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post

    Example: When a SOCOM General was the Army's C of S, he instituted many war fighting skills be instituted so every soldier, regardless of MOS, could run a crew Served Weapon, Could do a 4 man CQB entry, could fire and maneuver, call for fire, etc... so we would not have anymore Jessica Lynch episodes, and the Basic Soldier, could be a War Fighter. Today, it is being dismantled do to FUNDING.
    Interesting comment re: the man in charge.

    We shoot at the same facility as the local sheriff's office. Under the old (now a convict) sheriff we NEVER saw them at the range. He was non-sworn (which means he couldn't arrest you) and came from a politics career not an LE career. Under the acting sheriff after his removal and the current sheriff, with a full career of actual law enforcement? We can't get rid of these guys! Now every time I go out there for a Tuesday night event they are there training. They're using the shoot-house that I frankly thought was out of commission under the old guy, they're on the range and in the classroom all the time, etc.

    No idea about budget issues for them, but having a Sheriff that comes from a law enforcement background vs. one that comes from essentially an admin background.

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    Link to a previous thread on the SDM/DM topic
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50731

    Link to the .5K write up
    http://www.designatedmarksman.com/fi...antryHalfK.pdf

    I found the write up to be very forward thinking for the Army. The author is clearly trying to stay on top of current trends and capabilities and apply this knowledge to molding future Army standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Why should the USMC write a paper just because some Army dude decides to write one (in which he makes several inaccurate statements about USMC marksmanship training)?
    You ain't kidding. I think this guy did his "research" by watching Sands of Iwo Jima after getting E coli from a bad pizza.

    The Marine Corps still uses shooting jackets and slings when conducting qualification and engages bullseye targets, not silhouettes.
    Wow, really? I mean, really? You SURE about that, Slappy?

    Dude's as bad at fact-checking as Glenn Beck and Dan Rather. Probably thinks the Ribbon Creek incident was last year and that recruits wear chromed helmets, too.
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    I'm no expert but in my experience iron sights impede me more at distance then they do at 7 yards, when using a carbine length sight radius.

    At the 7 yard line I am not that much slower than the RDS shooters on the line (we're talking about well lit outdoor conditions on stationary targets).

    At 100 yards prone, using a carbine with BUIS, I can readily get a 4 inch group, and if I slow down and don't run a 100 yard standard, I can do better.

    But at 300 yards, a hard front sight focus using the carbine results in the target completely washing out for me, as in I can't see it anymore, and I'll be lucky to get 3/5 torso hits on your typical silhouette target, using an in between or back and forth focus.

    So while my ability to use iron sights is good, a lot depends on the type of sight (open vs peep, etc.) and the sight radius available.

    So ironically, to me it seems that a RDS is almost crucial on a carbine, even when, or especially when, shooting at distances beyond 200 or 250 yards.

    That's not even to mention the superiority of a RDS in low light conditions, moving targets, etc.
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    I saw in one of the Magpul videos that they use some sort of high contrast white paint on the front sight to see it easier. Might solve most iron sight problems. Not sure what the paint is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG Lincoln View Post
    I saw in one of the Magpul videos that they use some sort of high contrast white paint on the front sight to see it easier. Might solve most iron sight problems. Not sure what the paint is though.
    you dont want that. Flat black with no reflection is best and proven over time.

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    I was talking with a friend of my brother-in-law, who works for Xe, about ARs a while back and I asked him what kind of optic he uses. His response was he didn't he used irons. His reason was he had seen every optic out there take a dump at the wrong time. He's 44 years old so he is kind of old school on his equipment.

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    I can't believe I MISSED this thread.

    I can't tell you how many classes I've shown up to an smoked every red dot on the line. The MYTH that the red dot is faster is perpetuated by...

    1. Incompetent shooters who can't deploy them efficiently or...

    2. Sales pitch instructors like Pat Rogers who have buddies at Aimpoint and get their shit for free and make "unbiased recommendations" to thier lackies so that they feel pressured to buy the stuff.

    Red dots have their place. But they're not the mandatory gear that some jokers make them out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I can't believe I MISSED this thread.

    I can't tell you how many classes I've shown up to an smoked every red dot on the line. The MYTH that the red dot is faster is perpetuated by...

    1. Incompetent shooters who can't deploy them efficiently or...

    2. Sales pitch instructors like Pat Rogers who have buddies at Aimpoint and get their shit for free and make "unbiased recommendations" to thier lackies so that they feel pressured to buy the stuff.

    Red dots have their place. But they're not the mandatory gear that some jokers make them out to be.
    You should stay "on the line" at the 4 hours of mid day or "some jokers" are going to smoke your ass during the other 16 hours downrange

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