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    Two inch groups at 100 yards with iron sights using a Carbine with a 16 inch barrel and federal xm193. ammo.

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    I consider myself a decent shot and I cannot regularly shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards. I shoot Wal mart brand 55 grain ammo and use a 2 or 4 moa aimpoint. My groups are usually in the low twos. I have shot one inch groups, but it usually involved a bag rest, better ammo, and luck.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyhots View Post
    How accurately can you shoot your AR15? How many MOA?
    1. With iron sights
    2. With scope
    3. While benched
    4. While standing
    5. While kneeling
    6. While sitting
    7. While prone

    Some AR15s can shoot maybe 1 MOA, but I think few shooters can actually achieve this level of accuracy, especially with iron sights. I'm curious what the consensus is about how accurately a good shooter can shoot an AR15.

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    I lost access to my good range before I could deturmine this information for my ARs.
    I can tell you about benching an AK with iron sights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seb5 View Post
    I tend to agree but will also add that very few people can really shoot 1" at 100 yards with their AR. Between the weapons, ammo, sights or scopes, triggers and the nut bewhind the trigger I'd say 1 in 10 can consistently accomplish this.
    I agree but think you may be guilty of over generosity with your percentages.
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    I'm normally good for about 1 MOC (minute of cat) @ 100 yards standing with irons.
    A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from the top of a mountain. -unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba FAL View Post
    Umm, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you there, and if that's how you're going about it, it's probably why "there's no way in HADES" you can shoot a1MOA group.

    I regularly post expert scores in HP matches with both my free-floated ARs (5.56 and 6.8) and I can assure you, I cannot "see" and center my post on 1" at 100yds, let alone 2-300. What I can do is put my front sight post at the same point below the "fuzzy gray dot" consistently enough to shoot a decent group if I do my part with trigger and breathing control and position. Consistency is the key.

    I must confess that at 44yrs of age, my particular brand of astigmatism is almost beneficial to rifle shooting (at least with peep sights) as my best focal point happens to coincide with the front sight radius. As a result, I am not tempted to bounce my focus between the sight post and target. I just naturally focus on the front sight and concentrate on the other variables.
    This is what I do, from prone I can keep 55 grain NATO in a 2-3 inch group at worst at 100 yards with iron sights and a red dot (no magnification).

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    I try to focus on combat style shooting not measuring groups. FMJs-of-Freedom

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    I hit a 20 inch target out to 500 yards, Rifleman standard. So at 10 yard line thats a hmm 80 MOA group and at 500 thats 4 moa.
    Ash Hess

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    In my opinion it's a good thing to be able to shoot accurately. I consider accurately to be between 1" and 1.5" at 100 yards with no stress and good conditions.

    I believe that learning the skills to be able to do this helps us when we are out shooting for real - movement, stress, weather, two way range, fog of war, etc....

    My opinion has always been that one of the best ways to learn the fundamentals is through slow controlled precision shooting. Then moving on to quick fire while maintaining accuracy that will get the desired results against the specific target - be it a running coyote, deer, human, paper, etc.....

    I personally do not find it difficult to get 1" to 1.5" groups at 100 yards with a quality AR, good ammo, and decent weather. This is from the prone position supported by a pack, sandbag, bipod, etc.... When I drop the support I usually open up some and go to about 1.5" to 2" at 100 yards. This is true for me regardless of the sights used. I get similar results with my 2 moa Aimpoints or iron sights. I can tighten up my groups when I go to a nice scope like my 10X scope.

    I have read posts before where folks will say that with a 2 moa dot the best group a person can get is 2 moa. I have never found this to be true myself. I find that it has everything to do with point of aim unless that dot itself is bigger than the target (covers the target). I've also found that drawing different sized circles on the targets (shooting paper for group) allows me to tighten my group when using the Aimpoint. This is just for group of course.

    My groups open up tremendously when shooting under real conditions and my goal has always been to keep my shots in a 6" group - of course I don't always keep my shots in a 6" group especially under stress and rough conditions.

    In my opinion it's a good thing to be able to slow down and take a precision shot if necessary. If a person only trains to hit at combat type accuracy then they might not have the tools necessary to take a necessary shot when needed.
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    Being that I am not a bench-rest, long-range, accuracy shooter I tend to find discussions of "how accurate can you shoot" to be largely a waste of time but also an indication of newbie-ness (for lack of a better term.

    I do think it's important to understand the fundamentals and know how to apply them, and I do think that practicing at longer range aids in that but beyond that...

    Agree with the others though, you don't not have to be able to see a 1" paster at 100 yards in order to shoot a 1" group.

    Additionally, accuracy = ammunition + equipment (gun, barrel, etc.) + shooter
    Many people attempt to shoot tiny little groups while handicapping themselves in one category (or all three). I guess it's interesting once or twice but after that....

    If shooting at long-range I find it FAR more interesting to engage multiple targets of a given size than to try to shoot a small group. I think it's harder to shoot the center of ten 8" rings at 200 yards in 10 shots than shoot a tiny group on one 8" ring at 200 yards with 10 shots.

    The furthest I've ever shot is at 200 yards and I was able to hit a 6" steel plate with XM193 out of an 11.5" A1 profile barrel using a 4 MOA dot. I was happy and moved on.

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