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    Here are some of the myths that I hear all the time in Maryland:

    "Silencers are totally banned"

    "You forfeit all Constitutional rights if you buy any Class 3 item"

    "The government wiretaps your phones if you own Class 3" (not making this up)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    Two blocks on a Form 3 ask for Transferee's and Transferor's name as it appears on the FFL.
    Yes I know. I am not sure what form it would be. Maybe a F4. Would have to contact ATF to see. There has to be a way for a C3 dealer to purchase tranfserred NFA items without paying the $200 fee (as we never pay it).


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    Quote Originally Posted by f.2 View Post
    I'm not a dealer.
    Yes I was aware of that. It seams to me though, involving a C3 dealer to help with an out of state transfer would have saved you $200.

    Once I take control of the item, I can transfer the item to another C3 dealer without any fees.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Yes I know. I am not sure what form it would be. Maybe a F4. Would have to contact ATF to see. There has to be a way for a C3 dealer to purchase tranfserred NFA items without paying the $200 fee (as we never pay it).


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    Don't think so. If it's on a F4, I think you have to take it back on a Form 4 for $200 tax plus whatever your transfer fee. Then you can get it on a Form 3 to yourself, then to the receiving dealer. Then F4 to buyer, another $200 tax + transfer fee on his end.

    I'm not a dealer so don't know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    Don't think so. If it's on a F4, I think you have to take it back on a Form 4 for $200 tax plus whatever your transfer fee. Then you can get it on a Form 3 to yourself, then to the receiving dealer. Then F4 to buyer, another $200 tax + transfer fee on his end.

    I'm not a dealer so don't know for sure.
    I don't think that is the case. Never does a C3 dealer pay the tax stamp. So I don't think this would be any different. Just have to figure out which form it is. C3 dealers buy NFA items from individuals all the time. I don't imagine they would do it if they had to pay a $200 dollar tax stamp every time.

    It also might be something as simple as logging it in my book and sending some type of addendium to the ATF.

    Will have to call the ATF and get some further info as there just isn't much out there in regards to this type of thing.


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    Whenever I break out my suppressor at a public range, I always get people looking at it strangely and asking these kinds of questions. Most of them come down to "Aren't those things illegal?" or "Why does anyone need one of these?"

    I answer the first one with a gentle "No, they're perfectly legal, you just have to have them registered with the federal government and submit to a rather intensive background check."

    I answer the second one with "Suppressors are great for plinking out in the desert without scaring people, as well as for teaching new shooters, since they eliminate the muzzle blast and noise. Makes the gun a lot less intimidating to newbs. Plus, it's just damn cool *delivered with a grin*"

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    "they're fun," is the only answer you should ever give anyone asking why anyone needs/wants an NFA item. they expect you to get all tinfoil on them, and telling them it's for fun generally totally deflates any arguments they had prepared.

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    From what I've researched in NFA law there is no way for a FFL/SOT to receive an NFA item for purposes of transfer to another without paying the $200. The only way would be a Form 5 if it were 'Willed' to you in the event of the death of the owner of NFA item.

    Form 3s are only for FFL/SOTs to other FFL/SOTs (free transfers), Form 5s can be used for receiving for repair, modification etc.

    Example of John Doe brings you a suppressor to sell on consignment. He/she or you'll have to pay the transfer of it to you for a Form 4. Once you have a Form 4 in your Co name could you sell it and then transfer it on a Form 4 to another or free to another FFL/SOT on a Form 3. You could also give/sell it to a LE agency tax-free on a Form 10.
    Last edited by Robb Jensen; 04-08-10 at 23:45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    From what I've researched in NFA law there is no way for a FFL/SOT to receive an NFA item for purposes of transfer to another without paying the $200. The only way would be a Form 5 if it were 'Willed' to you in the event of the death of the owner of NFA item.

    Form 3s are only for FFL/SOTs to other FFL/SOTs (free transfers), Form 5s can be used for receiving for repair, modification etc.

    Example of John Doe brings you a suppressor to sell on consignment. He/she or you'll have to pay the transfer of it to you for a Form 4. Once you have a Form 4 in your Co name could you sell it and then transfer it on a Form 4 to another or free to another FFL/SOT on a Form 3. You could also give/sell it to a LE agency tax-free on a Form 10.


    I did some reading last night. Couldn't really find a firm answer, but I also couldn't an answer to back up my thoughts.

    Lesson learned, don't buy already transfered NFA items (as a dealer).


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I did some reading last night. Couldn't really find a firm answer, but I also couldn't an answer to back up my thoughts.

    Lesson learned, don't buy already transfered NFA items (as a dealer).
    Right! So the process I outlined for f.2 in the thread he linked is the most cost effective and expeditious manner to transfer NFA items between two out of state individuals. The seller pays one tax, and the buyer pays the other.

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