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Gentleman,
Most of you are missing the point. We have a set of laws in this country and everyone is bound by them. Citizens and the law enforcement officers across the USA. Though this particular incident turned out good, what if it hadn't?
You should never make statements to law enforcement or allow a warrantless search of your home. I believe this video will help clarify.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33318153586646
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I don't care if they go away or not and that isn't the point. Allowing anyone to do a warrantless search of your property is not smart all. I don't care if I cause them more paperwork or whatever. I'll be glad to let them search upon seeing a valid search warrant. It is my consititutional right and yours.
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I'm a cop and I endorse exercising your rights (duh.) I wouldn't consent to a search of my home either. That said, I think blanket statement advice such as "never make statements to law enforcement" isn't always great.
There's always two sides to every story and if you're going to be silent and make us rely on what the other person is alleging against you, then you might wind up in cuffs.
Last edited by Cascades236; 04-10-10 at 04:48.
negative.. telling them to buzz off generally WILL result in them buzzing off. most ATF branches have relatively light caseloads, and tons of time to spare to case development. they also know, like all LEOs know, that most people give consent to search, whether they are in possession of contraband or not. if they show up for K&T, they are very unlikely to have enough for a warrant. if they did, they'd just get a warrant in the first place.
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and i want to add to the discussion-
two huge contributing factors to people giving consent: 1., they don't want to look suspicious, and think if they give consent, it'll be assumed they dont have anything, and the officer(s) will not look very hard. and 2., most people don't even know they can say "no," and just assume the officers is only "asking" to be polite.
refusing consent does NOT ever make you look "suspicious." they certainly want you to feel like thats what it makes you look like, but they know damn well that a refusal to consent is nothing more than you knowing your rights, and exercising them.
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lol. I think it's great how sore pussy you get over these types of things. You overreact to a degree unmatched on this forum.
State your peace without pounding your chest. No one gives 2 shits how big your E-dick is.
I as a LEO have the following say:
Don't consent to searches.
If you find yourself on the suspect side of an investigation, it's generally advisable to shut up but there are also many many times when talking to us and clearing it up will help us make the correct decision the first time. We can only go on evidence and statements. Just be full aware of that before crying foul over LE acting on the currently obvious.
OP needs to make sure he's up on what constructive intent is.
Perna: You don't fully understand how warrants work.
williejc: This:is exactly right. LE does not generally enforce the law to the letter. Discretion plays a huge role. I'm not sure anyone would like it any other way, however..... Discretion is, when applied to something as law, scary. It comes down to a host of variables. What is the LEO's education level, what is the supervisors mandate, what is the weather like, how is the emotional atmosphere, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.It's this human element that scares me.
The best LE can do is at the very least, be consistent in their discretion. It is truly an imperfect system. But, it's still the best available currently. Campaign and vote for the changes you want to see.
Look I am not saying that people should not exercise their rights, I was pointing out that exercising them might cost you more time and more of a pain in the ass.
It is easy to tell a cop in a traffic stop that "no you can not search my car" and it is your right. Finding out that it also gets you cuffed and sitting on the side of the road for 2 hours while you wait on K-9 to get woken up and drive there just to prove a point is a pain in the ass.
I also agree that if you have done anything wrong never open your mouth and ask for a lawyer. Pick your battles.
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