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    Quote Originally Posted by perna View Post
    You guys are acting like if you tell them to get a warrant, that they are just going to go away and never come back. When in reality they will go get one, they will have someone waiting at your house the whole time until they get one, and if you leave they will search your car. When they get back with the warrant they will search your whole house just to make sure you didnt hide your machine guns.
    dude... nobody HAS any unregistered machineguns. that's NOT the ****in point.

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    No. Doesn't matter if you have a room full of machine guns. They still need a valid search warrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    I'm not sure that the poster has legally registered SBRs yet, but I could be wrong.

    This is another question, which may be basic, once you legally register an SBR can the ATF come and inspect it any time without any notification?



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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    dude... nobody HAS any unregistered machineguns. that's NOT the ****in point.
    I know it isnt the point, the point is you are acting like telling them to get a warrant will make them go away, which it will not. You are also making it sound like telling them to get a warrant will not add more pain in the ass to the situation.

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    Gentleman,

    Most of you are missing the point. We have a set of laws in this country and everyone is bound by them. Citizens and the law enforcement officers across the USA. Though this particular incident turned out good, what if it hadn't?

    You should never make statements to law enforcement or allow a warrantless search of your home. I believe this video will help clarify.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33318153586646



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    I don't care if they go away or not and that isn't the point. Allowing anyone to do a warrantless search of your property is not smart all. I don't care if I cause them more paperwork or whatever. I'll be glad to let them search upon seeing a valid search warrant. It is my consititutional right and yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by perna View Post
    I know it isnt the point, the point is you are acting like telling them to get a warrant will make them go away, which it will not. You are also making it sound like telling them to get a warrant will not add more pain in the ass to the situation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    You should never make statements to law enforcement or allow a warrantless search of your home. I believe this video will help clarify.
    I'm a cop and I endorse exercising your rights (duh.) I wouldn't consent to a search of my home either. That said, I think blanket statement advice such as "never make statements to law enforcement" isn't always great.

    There's always two sides to every story and if you're going to be silent and make us rely on what the other person is alleging against you, then you might wind up in cuffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perna View Post
    I know it isnt the point, the point is you are acting like telling them to get a warrant will make them go away, which it will not. You are also making it sound like telling them to get a warrant will not add more pain in the ass to the situation.
    negative.. telling them to buzz off generally WILL result in them buzzing off. most ATF branches have relatively light caseloads, and tons of time to spare to case development. they also know, like all LEOs know, that most people give consent to search, whether they are in possession of contraband or not. if they show up for K&T, they are very unlikely to have enough for a warrant. if they did, they'd just get a warrant in the first place.

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    and i want to add to the discussion-

    two huge contributing factors to people giving consent: 1., they don't want to look suspicious, and think if they give consent, it'll be assumed they dont have anything, and the officer(s) will not look very hard. and 2., most people don't even know they can say "no," and just assume the officers is only "asking" to be polite.

    refusing consent does NOT ever make you look "suspicious." they certainly want you to feel like thats what it makes you look like, but they know damn well that a refusal to consent is nothing more than you knowing your rights, and exercising them.

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    I stand by my statement. If I am the target of an accusation or I am being considered a suspect I WILL NOT make any statements without contacting a lawyer first. If someone thinks that my lack of cooperation requires putting bracelets on me, so be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cascades236 View Post
    I'm a cop and I endorse exercising your rights (duh.) I wouldn't consent to a search of my home either. That said, I think blanket statement advice such as "never make statements to law enforcement" isn't always great.

    There's always two sides to every story and if you're going to be silent and make us rely on what the other person is alleging against you, then you might wind up in cuffs.

    FYI/You have the right to refuse, limit and revoke consent searches.



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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    I really think some of you got lost on the way to officer.com.

    This is not an anti-police board - far from it. But, it is a RIGHTS board, and the "If you don't have anything to hide, you should just let the police dig through your shit anytime they want and you're a skell if you don't" shit needs to ****ing STOP here.

    ****ing had it. You want to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic? Welcome. You think you are entitled to be in control of every situation all the time because you're <drumroll> THE POLICE!? Screw you and everyone like you, and your horse, dog, and parakeet too.

    Out.
    lol. I think it's great how sore pussy you get over these types of things. You overreact to a degree unmatched on this forum.

    State your peace without pounding your chest. No one gives 2 shits how big your E-dick is.

    I as a LEO have the following say:

    Don't consent to searches.

    If you find yourself on the suspect side of an investigation, it's generally advisable to shut up but there are also many many times when talking to us and clearing it up will help us make the correct decision the first time. We can only go on evidence and statements. Just be full aware of that before crying foul over LE acting on the currently obvious.

    OP needs to make sure he's up on what constructive intent is.

    Perna: You don't fully understand how warrants work.

    williejc: This:
    It's this human element that scares me.
    is exactly right. LE does not generally enforce the law to the letter. Discretion plays a huge role. I'm not sure anyone would like it any other way, however..... Discretion is, when applied to something as law, scary. It comes down to a host of variables. What is the LEO's education level, what is the supervisors mandate, what is the weather like, how is the emotional atmosphere, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    The best LE can do is at the very least, be consistent in their discretion. It is truly an imperfect system. But, it's still the best available currently. Campaign and vote for the changes you want to see.

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    Look I am not saying that people should not exercise their rights, I was pointing out that exercising them might cost you more time and more of a pain in the ass.

    It is easy to tell a cop in a traffic stop that "no you can not search my car" and it is your right. Finding out that it also gets you cuffed and sitting on the side of the road for 2 hours while you wait on K-9 to get woken up and drive there just to prove a point is a pain in the ass.

    I also agree that if you have done anything wrong never open your mouth and ask for a lawyer. Pick your battles.

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