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    Quote Originally Posted by Skang View Post
    So what's gonna happen to your friend?
    With any luck, he'll get Isabella's treatment of Edward II!
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    What really amazes me about this post (and I didn't read EVERY response, but about 80% of them), is the sheer number of people that don't know their rights out there. This is compounded with the town I live in (a college town), where I am getting more aware of the student/police/towns folk relationship and how in this situation too the large majority of people don't know their basic civil rights.

    You would think that any and all gun owners would know their basic rights of ownership, property, and freedom from un-warranted search and seizure. I'm wondering if some of you out there that are more involved in the industry (potentially even lawyers, or NRA staff members), could you possibly post a sticky thread about civilian rights in regards to being a gun owner? It's seeming more and more like this is information that needs to be out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcmanus View Post
    What really amazes me about this post (and I didn't read EVERY response, but about 80% of them), is the sheer number of people that don't know their rights out there. This is compounded with the town I live in (a college town), where I am getting more aware of the student/police/towns folk relationship and how in this situation too the large majority of people don't know their basic civil rights.

    You would think that any and all gun owners would know their basic rights of ownership, property, and freedom from un-warranted search and seizure. I'm wondering if some of you out there that are more involved in the industry (potentially even lawyers, or NRA staff members), could you possibly post a sticky thread about civilian rights in regards to being a gun owner? It's seeming more and more like this is information that needs to be out there.
    Meh. Knowing your rights, and using them, is cop bashing.

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    Sometimes.

    I know my rights and when a Child Wellfare Services worker came to my door because of allegations made by my wife's psycho (bonafide on SSDI for mental illness) ex-friend made. . . He wouldn't say why (obligated by law to notify parents "why") or what it was about, just that he wanted to come in and look around. . . I told the little troll to get a warrant.

    They hit our house when we weren't home, did the full SWAT on it. Don't know if they tasered the dogs or what but there was dog crap all over the kitchen, broken glass from the front door to the back. One of the dogs developed heart issues and had to be put down shortly thereafter (by shortly I don't mean a month or more) They tore up everything. The warrant was for my little girl (only & there was a big gapping blank where probable cause is supposed to be attested to) & it was obvious they'd searched the kitchen drawers and medcine cabinet (who keeps their child in the drawer with the spatulas? really?) . . . . I could go on. The story got much, MUCH worse before it got better.

    I know things can go really wrong if you exercise your rights. I know it painfully well. However, choosing to not exercise those rights for fear of what I have just described is a failure to defend the Constitution against all enemies. . . . if faced with governemnt agents at my door again, again I will not consent.



    I feel I should add a little disclaimer: I don't have hard feelings towards most of the the cops involved and certainly not toward cops in general. I realize that they were opperating on what they thought was good information. I only fault the DHS agent with the chip on his shoulder, who added false information to puff the case up to where SWAT would get involved and a couple of cops that proved dirty in the aftermath. I still have all my rights, all my guns, and my children . . . being innocent is pretty great. Proving it really sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    I made the mistake of watching 5 minutes of this tripe from the over-energized defense attorney who actually states that he may come off as biased in the first minute or so.

    He then goes on to reiterate a supposed non-fictional story in which a man supposedly assaults a woman in a hallway and talks to the police shortly after. But to validate his point he clearly implicates that a police officer then lied and misconstrued his statement causing him to be found guilty. What type of an example is this?

    If the police are going to make things up, that in itself is an entirely new set of disturbing circumstances. It does not accurately clarify the pitfall of stating things that may implicate you due to let's say...ignorance of the law.


    A very poor example, at least the part that I could withstand.
    If you had watched the entire video you would have also seen a veteran detective give his side as well. The point is that there is nothing to gain by talking/consenting to police and everything to lose. If you decide to watch the whole video we can have a discussion otherwise you're only getting half the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perna View Post
    Look I am not saying that people should not exercise their rights, I was pointing out that exercising them might cost you more time and more of a pain in the ass.

    It is easy to tell a cop in a traffic stop that "no you can not search my car" and it is your right. Finding out that it also gets you cuffed and sitting on the side of the road for 2 hours while you wait on K-9 to get woken up and drive there just to prove a point is a pain in the ass.

    I also agree that if you have done anything wrong never open your mouth and ask for a lawyer. Pick your battles.
    what was his probable cause to detain you? the fact you refused? I am pretty sure that's a violation of your civil rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZDL View Post
    You've now twice described 2 separate events completely incorrectly. Warrants and traffic stops with K9 searches. I'm assuming nothing. You continue to provide evidence that you simply don't know how it works. Don't get offended by that just go learn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macx View Post
    Sometimes.

    I know my rights and when a Child Wellfare Services worker came to my door because of allegations made by my wife's psycho (bonafide on SSDI for mental illness) ex-friend made. . . He wouldn't say why (obligated by law to notify parents "why") or what it was about, just that he wanted to come in and look around. . . I told the little troll to get a warrant.

    They hit our house when we weren't home, did the full SWAT on it. Don't know if they tasered the dogs or what but there was dog crap all over the kitchen, broken glass from the front door to the back. One of the dogs developed heart issues and had to be put down shortly thereafter (by shortly I don't mean a month or more) They tore up everything. The warrant was for my little girl (only & there was a big gapping blank where probable cause is supposed to be attested to) & it was obvious they'd searched the kitchen drawers and medcine cabinet (who keeps their child in the drawer with the spatulas? really?) . . . . I could go on. The story got much, MUCH worse before it got better.

    I know things can go really wrong if you exercise your rights. I know it painfully well. However, choosing to not exercise those rights for fear of what I have just described is a failure to defend the Constitution against all enemies. . . . if faced with governemnt agents at my door again, again I will not consent.



    I feel I should add a little disclaimer: I don't have hard feelings towards most of the the cops involved and certainly not toward cops in general. I realize that they were opperating on what they thought was good information. I only fault the DHS agent with the chip on his shoulder, who added false information to puff the case up to where SWAT would get involved and a couple of cops that proved dirty in the aftermath. I still have all my rights, all my guns, and my children . . . being innocent is pretty great. Proving it really sucked.
    same thing happened to a friend of mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by onado2000 View Post
    I realize a grey area exists in this circumstance. I purchased the SB uppers w/ the intention of registering a SBR, but have not done so.
    There is no gray area, and intentions are meaningless. I've no wish to be unkind, but the situation as described leads me to conclude that you were fortunate in the extreme that things didn't follow an all-too-predictable path to a felony conviction.

    Most may view this as an issue of individual rights, and I'm not suggesting that it isn't, but ignorance is no excuse under the law, and those who would wish to own firearms -- especially NFA firearms and components -- have an attendanct obligation to educate themselves and remain in full and overt compliance with the law. Give the authorities a reason to come knocking, and you are simply asking for the persistent migraines (or worse) that will surely follow.

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    I wouldn't let them in without a warrant.
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