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    For those praising Del-Ton:

    Go take a 2 or 3 day carbine class from one of our Industry Professionals and get back to us on how well your carbine did.

    Anyone can pop off 40 rounds at dirt clods on Maw Kettle's Farm, look lovingly at their carbine and proclaim it "good to go".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    There is a decidedly devious backsplash from The Chart.

    Some companies are using it as a checklist for marketing purposes. This means that they need to find other ways to cut corners/costs. Softer than spec screws and pins, suspect carrier key material, incorrect MPI rejection criteria, lower than spec pressure in HPT, incorrect shot-peening method... the list goes on and on. The Chart revision that I'm working on attempts to address some of this, but these cost cutting measures are far more devious, far easier to lie about, and much harder to check. Looking at carrier key staking is easy. Getting metallurgical testing done to see what material the key is made from is another matter entirely.

    So it's still easier to rip people off than build a quality product, I see.

    This makes it all the more important to stick with known top-tier brands and pass on the doubtful ones.

    In the future, I suspect The Chart is going to have another side effect: it will become the responsibility of the manufacturer to prove he is left of chart and not just state the claim. As soon as some of the fakers are outed it will be very hard for them to sell anything to the chart enthusiasts ever again.

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    It seems like lots of people now assume that actual testing is being accomplished simply because a company decided to purchase themselves a laser etcher and learn how to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    It seems like lots of people now assume that actual testing is being accomplished simply because a company decided to purchase themselves a laser etcher and learn how to use it.
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    Heck, I can go to the mall and get a claw hammer laser-etched "MPI/HPT". For all we know some company's "MPI" could mean "Mary Poppins Inspected".

    If these marketing schemes prove to be even somewhat true, then the quality makers will have go up on the price and include certificates with their guns to verify their inspections, metallurgy, assembly, etc. are true.
    Then, these lower quality makers will buy some Certificate Maker software and start printing their own "Mary Poppins" certifications....and so on...

    I reckon the end would be when some maker gets his "ISO 9000" compliance certification.
    All of this will benefit the end-user BUT it will all come with a hefty price. I hope it never gets to this but the market will eventually demand it if unscrupulous marketing schemes go unchecked.


    All because of The Chart...way to go Rob...

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    Ok this thread has gotten off topic. Commenting on the markings of a company's product is one thing, insinuating, without evidence, that companies falsify those markings is another.

    I stand behind my 20" Del-Ton shooting at dirt, but I'll stand behind my BCM when shooting in a carbine class.
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    What do you do when BCM is sold out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amd5007 View Post
    Ok this thread has gotten off topic. Commenting on the markings of a company's product is one thing, insinuating, without evidence, that companies falsify those markings is another.

    I stand behind my 20" Del-Ton shooting at dirt, but I'll stand behind my BCM when shooting in a carbine class.
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    AMD,
    OK, back on topic, I think part of the problem is most members here do not differentiate between a dirt shooter and a training rifle or a SD/HD gun.

    If a gun is classified as gtg...it first should be able to suffice as a weapon you can bet your life on. Sounds like you're wanting sub-classes for GTG. GTG for dirt shooting and GTG for HD/SD and GTG for coyotes, and so on...

    That is not the intention of this site. There are too many people that can only afford one rifle and will put their life on the line with their gun. Muddying their true GTG choices with sub-classes of GTG will only get someone in harm's way with a less than ideal weapon.

    It is either GTG or it is not and from what I've read, DelTon is not GTG.

    But maybe it's just me...

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    UCRT, thanks for the clarification. But I never classified Del-Ton as "GTG". I only wrote in response to questions posted on the first page and how I was impressed by how Del-Ton went beyond the product specifications on their website without any request on my part to offer a upper that is beyond competitors in a similar tier.

    It maybe true that if limited to one rifle Del-Ton isn't the best choice, but it isn't my prerogative to either recommend or denounce a company I have no experience with. The intent of a forum is to share information and opinions. I researched Del-Ton and found many opinions, but less information. So I have been trying to share information from my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amd5007 View Post
    Ok this thread has gotten off topic. Commenting on the markings of a company's product is one thing, insinuating, without evidence, that companies falsify those markings is another.

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    I'm inclined to agree. I'm curious what the basis is for those who made the insinuation that DelTon is falsifying and misrepresenting their testing process and perpetrating fraud.

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    My AR collection includes a 2009-era Del-Ton 16" midlength kit, two Bushies, an Armalite, several Daniel Defense complete uppers, a Spike's Tactical, etc. I've also had the chance to inspect two other Del-Tons (2010 production), a Colt 6920 and various others.

    The Del-Ton is a solid plinker. It is put together fairly well. I have had zero problems with the upper assembly, and only one minor problem with the parts (mag button oversized and rough). I would rate it ahead of some common brands like DPMS, and probably in the same league as Shrubbie. Cosmetically they do very well - of course that is the least important, but I think it should be noted anyway. For fun I'll probably run it in a 2-gun match sometime soon to see how it does.

    So I would agree with amd's comments above. Of course, if you can only afford one rifle, or if you want a particular rifle to be top quality, I would recommend only the usual suspects (Colt, BCM, DD, etc.). But if you want a plinker for whatever reason, DTI offers a nice price on a fairly well assembled plinker.

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