Someotherguy, Amen.
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Someotherguy, Amen.
Mystery testing is as good as no testing at all.
I think any company, like Del-Ton, with a solid history of manufacturing crap, has the burden of proving that they are NOT perpetrating fraud, when they suddenly start to claim to be producing solid weapons.
Because of their history, if Del-Ton claimed the sky is blue and grass is green, I'd go out and look for myself.
Alright, thank you. But bare in mind what you said before on another thread:
"Seriously... on a 20" plinker, I'd go Del Ton. To me, money is a limited asset, and I always economize on toys. Heck, I'd even consider going Model 1 Sales for an even cheaper toy.
The 20" system is less rough on components, and more forgiving on tolerances, etc.."
and
"I gotcha. Sometimes we get locked in the "What is your life worth, anyway?" error.
Not all items we purchase have to be "the best" or even "top tier".
Last summer I bought a couple crappy guns; one in order to spend an afternoon with a pretty girl, teaching her how to shoot a gun her company will issue her downrange and one just for fun, because I always wanted one. Both had utility and were worth the money spent.
Now, that is entirely different from saying Del-Ton is as good as BCM."
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52842
Last edited by amd5007; 02-17-11 at 21:43.
I absolutely hate the term, but christ there's a lot of "butthurt" in this thread.
I agree with 120, but then and now. If you want a toy gun then buying from a company like Del-Ton is fine. and as long as you know what you're buying, that's fine too.
But like most of these companies, they don't identify themselves as a toy gun company. and I take issue with that. Especially when historically they are not known for producing quality sufficient to use for critical purposes.
and yes, the burden of proof is on them. Companies like this are documented liars. They state their products are "milspec" when they clearly are not, were not, and will not be. So yes, if I see them engrave some letters on a part I want to know very specifically what they think those letters mean and if they mean what we think they do I want to know exactly their procedures and criteria. HPT with a round that is only 2k PSI over the spec and MPI with only cracks as rejection, and you might as well not bother.
and for those obsessed with the Chart, I'll be asking these questions of Delton and other companies eventually.
Indeed. The problem is, I was talking about $500 guns, there.
But when we're talking about $700 and more for the piece of steaming poo, when you can get excellence for $800, it's a different thing.
And if you're paying $700 for a carbine and putting $300 of rails and other options on it, you're making even less sense.
I won't say they are fraudulently not testing, but I will say this: If they are now HPT & MPI testing and their prices do not raise to a similar price to other manufacturers who do TDP level testing, then I have to assume they are using improper testing with improper rejection criteria - otherwise their cost would have gone up. This tells me that if they are testing it is merely to have another good marketing term on their product and not to actually build a better product. And that tells me all I need to know about their company.
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