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    Quote Originally Posted by kwelz View Post
    Haha I think I already owe you a beer for something Grant but you just earned a second one with that.

    Laughing aside, I do agree. The Chart should be a non-bias repository for information. People can then use that information to determine what product best suits them. To interject his opinion into it (even if he is right) would devalue the chart.
    Right. If people cannot figure out that guns with more "check marks" are going to be more reliable then maybe they should re-think this whole gun ownership thing.


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    How fitting

    Here is a thread where a Delton fan posted about an AR kit, got a dose of reality about it and then became angry. Imagine if Rob stated that Delton was not fit for "duty/hard use."


    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...d=1#post940283




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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Right. If people cannot figure out that guns with more "check marks" are going to be more reliable then maybe they should re-think this whole gun ownership thing.


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    If you do two charts, the lesser brands won't be on the same chart as the ones that matter.

    This way you don't have some guy posting "my DPMS is the awesomest thing in the world".

    Or just make a second chart for arfcom. Train wrecks are fun to watch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by interfan View Post
    If you do two charts, the lesser brands won't be on the same chart as the ones that matter.

    This way you don't have some guy posting "my DPMS is the awesomest thing in the world".

    Or just make a second chart for arfcom. Train wrecks are fun to watch...
    Two charts? We will call one chart "Tier 1" and the other "Crap." I am sure that won't cause any problems.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Two charts? We will call one chart "Tier 1" and the other "Crap." I am sure that won't cause any problems.



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    That works, or just use a ranking system by number of checkmarks to have two groups that then divide into two charts: the ones that are up to spec and the ones that are not. This isn't about Rob's opinion, as the manufacturers have put themselves in these groups due to their materials and manufactruing process. The brands or models that aren't up to spec for professional use aren't up to spec. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interfan View Post
    That works, or just use a ranking system by number of checkmarks to have two groups that then divide into two charts: the ones that are up to spec and the ones that are not. This isn't about Rob's opinion, as the manufacturers have put themselves in these groups due to their materials and manufactruing process. The brands or models that aren't up to spec for professional use aren't up to spec. Period.
    The more you talk, the more I think your idea is a GREAT ONE!

    Rob, follow this man's idea.



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    I didn't mean to hijack this thread, I'll take up the subject here
    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=75504&page=8

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I didn't mean to hijack this thread, I'll take up the subject here
    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=75504&page=8
    Got it. THanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermanSynergy View Post
    For those praising Del-Ton:

    Go take a 2 or 3 day carbine class from one of our Industry Professionals and get back to us on how well your carbine did.

    Anyone can pop off 40 rounds at dirt clods on Maw Kettle's Farm, look lovingly at their carbine and proclaim it "good to go".
    Can I ask whats wrong with a guy wanting a fun gun to shirt dirt clods at the farm with? If that's the intended role of the gun, and a few hundred rounds a year is all you plan to shoot, and the gun is just a casual plinker, couldn't one of these Del-Ton kit's be a perfectly good gun for that purpose?

    This place cracks me up sometimes. The level of snobery is sometimes unreal. I'm not trying to bash anyone so don't get me wrong. I'm sure that was not your intent with your comment. I understnad your point within the context of the conversation taking place. But one thing I have noticed is that this site tends to be the hangout for a lot of very serious shooters. Good info abounds, and there is a lot of experience here from people that know the platform and what makes a really good AR. As a result, a lot of people here seem to think of the AR platform strictly within the context of a gun for serious business. But don't dismiss the fact that a lot of casual shooters think the AR platform is pretty neaty (can you blaim them) and they want one to play with. And they come here to learn about their guns.

    This sort of buyer is never going to attend a carbine class, never going to fire a shot in anger, never going to go to war, never going to carry their carbine on patrol etc. They are gonna shoot beer cans a couple of weekends a year with a gun that looks cool and is fun to shoot. If that is your intended role for the gun, I'd argue that a top tier high dollar gun is arguably a waste of money for some people.

    These sort of folks come here to get some good information and guidance on there purchase and how to use it and they get their teeth kicked in. Or maybe they are excited and make a post about how happy they are with their purchase and then their post is followed by several pages where people basically imply, or explicitly say how stupid, ignorant, or cheap that person was for not ponying up a few hundred more dollars for a gun they would never fully take advantage of. I don't think there is anything wrong with being the type of guy who insists on the best. Hell if you want a BCM just for busting dirt clods there is nothing wrong with that either.

    Anyway, I've owned the less expensive guns, and some high quality guns too. In fact I owned a Del-Ton and it served me quite well for my purposes. It was a fun gun for casual use and filled that role quite admirably. I knew when I bought it it was a hobby gun. I knew the difference between a true mil-spec gun and a hobby gun and I still bought it. I knew when I bought it that I wouldn't be putting thousands of rounds a weekend through it at carbine courses several times a year. Had that been my plan I would have gotten something else (in fact since then I have as I'm getting interested in doing some formal training and using the platform for HD). Anyway, fact is thats not what I needed at the time. If were in the market for a plinker again, I'd buy another Del-Ton with no regrets. And before anyone assumes I'm just cheap, I own plenty of high dollar guns, ARs and others, because paying for that level of performance was worth it to me for their intended role.

    I just think when a guy says "What do you think about Del-ton/DPMS/Etc" the correct response would be to ask the intended purpose of the gun. If the guy says it's just a plinker/fun gun, it would be reasonble to say that a Del-Ton will serve them quite well. If he asks for a recomendation for a gun for serious use then the recomendations of Colt/BCM/DD/Noveske/Etc are an appropriate response. In either case, implying someone is a cheap dumbass for purchasing something like a DPMS is just snobbery. If they were planning on taking a DPMS to war, then certainly they need a serious education, but if it's for bustin dirt clods on the back fourty, well seems to me it will do just fine in most cases.

    Now on the other hand, the guys that want to come on here and call top tier owners a bunch of dumbasses for wasting their money on a Noveske/Colt/DD etc when a Del-Ton is "just as good". Well those guys are genuinely ignorant dumbasses so have at'em.

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    what you use the gun for and its "intended role" are two different things.

    just saying...
    I have no ambition in this world but one, and that is to be a fireman. The position may, in the eyes of some, appear to be a lowly one; but we who know the work which the fireman has to do believe that his is a noble calling. Our proudest moment is to save lives. ~Edward F. Croker

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