FL - Road rage ends in head shot to aggressor. And teen burglar caught in act.

[Jerm]

Call me names all you like, but like or not, agree with it or not, when people are shot over "road rage battle(s)", public perception will change for the worse. We are at a precarious point in gun rights history and while there have been enormous strides, there is still a majority of anti-gun members of almost all states and federal governments. Large swaths of people in the most populous states that just happen to be the most anti-gun still control the largest blocks of votes in our government. Shooting someone in your own home or with a weapon is one thing, but to have it occur in a situation that I would say most Americans have been in without shooting on roads that they drive every day will change them from a silent majority to a vocal one.

Most Americans have been intentionally rammed with a vehicle being used as a deadly weapon?

Sorry,this is an easy one.

I don't forsee any backlash for these types of clear cut cases(assuming the story is accurate).

[-gary]

Gary,

I understand your point...sorta..., but are you really saying that the person should not have defended himself? Someone is trying to assault you with a weapon likely more dangerous than a handgun.

If not, then what's the point of the right?

Noops

No, I'm not saying that since we weren't there and the story is about a vague as they come. Might be totally justifiable and most likely would be in anyone's eyes since there are no charges filed. What I am saying is that most people, will ask "why didn't he just stop and call a cop?". Most meaning people that don't carry or even own a firearm but do drive to work every day. Those people don't care much for their own right of self defense let alone yours, but they are the majority of voters.

[Palmguy]

We are at a precarious point in gun rights history and while there have been enormous strides, there is still a majority of anti-gun members of almost all states and federal governments. Large swaths of people in the most populous states that just happen to be the most anti-gun still control the largest blocks of votes in our government.

Right. What's the count now, 40 some-odd states are now shall-issue? That doesn't happen if what you claim is true.

Shooting someone in your own home or with a weapon is one thing, but to have it occur in a situation that I would say most Americans have been in without shooting on roads that they drive every day will change them from a silent majority to a vocal one.

Uh, whiskey tango foxtrot...

[d90king]

The "all gun laws are unconstitutional!" people will undoubtedly follow my post, but both of those reports, more so the first, are examples of why we will end up loosing any remaining rights we still have.

Shooting someone in the head for hitting your car is really crossing the line. If you pull over, stop and the guy tries to hit/attack you, then it's all fair game, but to start firing because he rammed you is a thin excuse. The Brady bunch will actually be able to rightfully claim their shootouts over fender-bender fears are coming true. Maybe it's just really bad reporting of what really happened.

A person attacks you with a deadly weapon and you recommend pulling over? DU is looking for bloggers... Apply for the job, you and your logic would be great for the job.

[noops]

Gary,

Edited: I need to stay out of this thread I think. Gary, you're an odd one. I don't think you really support these rights. What's the point in having them if you can't use them at the worst time.

That is all...

Noops

[-gary]

Right. What's the count now, 40 some-odd states are now shall-issue? That doesn't happen if what you claim is true.

Sure it does. We've managed to gain an amazing amount of ground in the last 10 years, but mostly because of lower crime rates that have kept the "blood running in the streets" news stories to a minimum, not because of some sea change in politics across the country. We've had a lull in crime that has come with some great judicial windfalls like Heller that might not have even happened if the gang scare of the 90's had continued on.

[-gary]

So, exactly what is your level of training? Experience? Knowledge of the judicious use of deadly force? Knowledge of Use of Force Continuum? Experience in actually using deadly force? Civil and criminal law for these issues?

You sound just like the dbags who say call the cops, they'll protect you. Don't defend yourself. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Or something.

That's awesome. Sorry, I forgot to unzip and measure at the door.


Just remember that our politics, and by proxy our rights, are solely dependent on the PR presented to the general public.

[rifleman2000]

Sure it does. We've managed to gain an amazing amount of ground in the last 10 years, but mostly because of lower crime rates that have kept the "blood running in the streets" news stories to a minimum, not because of some sea change in politics across the country. We've had a lull in crime that has come with some great judicial windfalls like Heller that might not have even happened if the gang scare of the 90's had continued on.

The 'gang scares of the 90s' and high violent crime is what led to the relaxation of gun laws across the United States. DIRECTLY. As a response to the crime. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Strike three, you're out.

[rifleman2000]

That's awesome. Sorry, I forgot to unzip and measure at the door.


Just remember that our politics, and by proxy our rights, are solely dependent on the PR presented to the general public.

So for PR, go ahead and let yourself get killed by a road rager. Don't fight back because it is bad PR.

You are killing me.

ETA: Strike one, second batter.

[noops]

That's awesome. Sorry, I forgot to unzip and measure at the door.

It ain't about zipping. Besides, I have a small johnson, I'm sure. I just want to know what you're qualifications are to pontificate, because you don't seem to know much about the subject in reality, but sure are willing to talk about it.