FL - Road rage ends in head shot to aggressor. And teen burglar caught in act.

[-gary]

The 'gang scares of the 90s' and high violent crime is what led to the relaxation of gun laws across the United States. DIRECTLY. As a response to the crime. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Strike three, you're out.

Huh?¿ The AWB was a direct result of that scare and was allowed to sunset only because of a drop, not because of an increase in crime. 94-04 is to this day one of the darkest times for gun rights and it may well have continued on if crime, or at least the media coverage and perception of it, would have risen.

A guy I work with just last week gave me the "Glock's can't be seen by metal detectors because they're plastic" line. He's in his mid twenties and barely would've had an idea of what a Glock was at the time, but the "media truth" is what sticks with him, not reality. A vast majority of our laws are based on fears, not facts.

[rifleman2000]

Huh?¿ The AWB was a direct result of that scare and was allowed to sunset only because of a drop, not because of an increase in crime. 94-04 is to this day one of the darkest times for gun rights and it may well have continued on if crime, or at least the media coverage and perception of it, would have risen.

A guy I work with just last week gave me the "Glock's can't be seen by metal detectors because they're plastic" line. He's in his mid twenties and barely would've had an idea of what a Glock was at the time, but the "media truth" is what sticks with him, not reality. A vast majority of our laws are based on fears, not facts.

We are talking CCW here, not AWB. Don't change the subject.

The rise in permissive CCW is directly related to high rates of violent crime.

Don't avoid the question.

How is it that you expect gun owners NOT to use their rights to defend their lives for PR? Would you risk your life for PR? Probably not.

[-gary]

Not changing the subject or avoiding anything, the non-renewal of the AWB and the relaxing of carry laws across the country are interconnected and both a direct result of the public's perception of gun crime, not gun crime itself. You and I both know that the so called gang wars were not and still to this day are not what they were reported as being.

The vocal minority that are pushing for gun rights have always been doing so, but have met far less resistance in the last decade because of the perceived drop in violence across the country. The media played the "armed gangs are coming to your town" card one too many times, and when that didn't pan out they have dropped it like a hot potato. If it would've come true, you can bet there would've been a 10 million mom march on Washington, but it just didn't happen. I think we would all like to believe that the supreme court voted on Heller because of their strong beliefs in the Constitution, but I'm afraid that just isn't so. If the political and social climate would've been in strong favor of more restrictions at the time I'm sure it would've went a different way. Again, public perception versus reality.

I never said that I didn't expect anyone to not use any right against anyone, but that the public at large will turn against us when they start to feel threatened again, just like they did in 94.

[rifleman2000]

Not changing the subject or avoiding anything, the non-renewal of the AWB and the relaxing of carry laws across the country are interconnected and both a direct result of the public's perception of gun crime, not gun crime itself. You and I both know that the so called gang wars were not and still to this day are not what they were reported as being.

Double talk. "interconnected?" Check your facts. What prompted the permissive laws for more CCW. Find an answer, don't make it up. Wait, I will give it to you again. It was a response to violent crime.

The vocal minority that are pushing for gun rights have always been doing so, but have met far less resistance in the last decade because of the perceived drop in violence across the country.

Not perceived, but real.

The media played the "armed gangs are coming to your town" card one too many times, and when that didn't pan out they have dropped it like a hot potato. If it would've come true, you can bet there would've been a 10 million mom march on Washington, but it just didn't happen.

The Million Mom March was a falsehood, not grassroots. The organizers were clintonites and one went to jail for gun crimes.

I think we would all like to believe that the supreme court voted on Heller because of their strong beliefs in the Constitution, but I'm afraid that just isn't so. If the political and social climate would've been in strong favor of more restrictions at the time I'm sure it would've went a different way. Again, public perception versus reality.

Reality is that grassroots support for gun rights has always been strong. You seem to think the opposite.

I never said that I didn't expect anyone to not use any right against anyone, but that the public at large will turn against us when they start to feel threatened again, just like they did in 94.

The public did not "turn against us". The clinton administration and media did, regardless of grassroot feeling.

Dude, you are now laying a smoke screen and not defending your original position. Your original position was that the self-defence shooting by the victim of road rage was unjustified. Stick to that and stop with the rambling.

[pilotguyo540]

NICE SHOTB

[bkb0000]

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nice shootin, Tex! seems pretty unlikely that was wholly deliberate, but nobody will ever be able to take that from him. one shot, from a pistol, from a vehicle, to a vehicle, through the head. doesn't get any better than that.

[arbob]

I think all the publicity these justifiable uses of CCW get are better than Public Service announcements.That`s one of the great things about Florida. They are not shy about it, and there is a lot less liberal handwringing over it.

[theblackknight]

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nice shootin, Tex! seems pretty unlikely that was wholly deliberate, but nobody will ever be able to take that from him. one shot, from a pistol, from a vehicle, to a vehicle, through the head. doesn't get any better than that.

exactly!! S

[Don Robison]

Call me names all you like, but like or not, agree with it or not, when people are shot over "road rage battle(s)", public perception will change for the worse. We are at a precarious point in gun rights history and while there have been enormous strides, there is still a majority of anti-gun members of almost all states and federal governments. Large swaths of people in the most populous states that just happen to be the most anti-gun still control the largest blocks of votes in our government. Shooting someone in your own home or with a weapon is one thing, but to have it occur in a situation that I would say most Americans have been in without shooting on roads that they drive every day will change them from a silent majority to a vocal one.

Bump me as in fender bender = accident, ram me intentionally and or repeatedly/deliberately = getting shot. It's not hard to understand.

[mhanna91]

****, man.. had to wade through a mile of trolling...


nice shootin, Tex! seems pretty unlikely that was wholly deliberate, but nobody will ever be able to take that from him. one shot, from a pistol, from a vehicle, to a vehicle, through the head. doesn't get any better than that.

When I read it it sounded like the shooter was rammed, from behind, and in the midst of a 180 degree spin, shot the assaulter in head. HAHA even better!