California and it's future gun laws.

[Belmont31R]

The people elected these dipshits into office. Now they get to live with the consequences. If anything that state should be taken as an example of what lefties will do to a state regardless of how well there economy was doing. They turned on the faucet of extreme social spending, extreme state employees spending/benefits, high taxes, etc, and they get what they deserve. I hope the people with a clue move to another state, and enjoy the money they are not pumping into CA's failed system.




And technically speaking the states should have whatever right they want to to pass whatever gun laws they want to. If you believe in states rights you get both the positive and negative in one big group. I don't agree with turning regulatory power over everything to the Feds. If one state wants to turn itself into a police state, ban gun ownership, and have 2-3X+ the tax rate of average then so be it. When they end up bankrupt, and the state shuts down maybe people will get a clue. The smart ones will have already moved out.


Yes it is a beautiful state. I grew up in Temecula, and left when I joined the Army in 2003. Now I live in TX, and like things much better here. Almost all of my elected leaders are conservatives, and we are improving our gun rights in this state. I remember back in CA having to wait weeks to pick up a gun after buying it, high taxes on everything, housing costs easily 3x what they are here, gas being 40-50 cents more than just about anywhere else, etc. Why would anyone purposefully live in a state that taxes them to death and raises the cost of living multitudes higher than almost everywhere else?

[5pins]

The items Buck mentioned are not law.

And more then likely never will be.

[pilotguyo540]

The people elected these dipshits into office. Now they get to live with the consequences. If anything that state should be taken as an example of what lefties will do to a state regardless of how well there economy was doing. They turned on the faucet of extreme social spending, extreme state employees spending/benefits, high taxes, etc, and they get what they deserve. I hope the people with a clue move to another state, and enjoy the money they are not pumping into CA's failed system.




And technically speaking the states should have whatever right they want to to pass whatever gun laws they want to. If you believe in states rights you get both the positive and negative in one big group. I don't agree with turning regulatory power over everything to the Feds. If one state wants to turn itself into a police state, ban gun ownership, and have 2-3X+ the tax rate of average then so be it. When they end up bankrupt, and the state shuts down maybe people will get a clue. The smart ones will have already moved out.


Yes it is a beautiful state. I grew up in Temecula, and left when I joined the Army in 2003. Now I live in TX, and like things much better here. Almost all of my elected leaders are conservatives, and we are improving our gun rights in this state. I remember back in CA having to wait weeks to pick up a gun after buying it, high taxes on everything, housing costs easily 3x what they are here, gas being 40-50 cents more than just about anywhere else, etc. Why would anyone purposefully live in a state that taxes them to death and raises the cost of living multitudes higher than almost everywhere else?

Rather harsh, but not unjust. Some people can't move out due to child custody issues, family bonds, the ranch, or what ever. Its not as easy as you think, especially (only?) When women are involved.

I disagree on the states rights to pass any gun laws or fascist police state they want. The constitution was written to safeguard our freedom from just that sort of event. When states joined the union, the constitution was the basic price of admission, in my opinion/sleep deprived translation.

Once you get past the rabid liberals, it is fine. Outside of the cities, CA is just like anywhere else. The bulk of the tax paying population is being held hostage by the liberals in the city.

As far as the smart ones moving out...god hates a coward. Move back and help reclaim the state. Put up a fight. Vote if you have to. Tucking tail only works so long. As history repeats itself, real estate diminishes. Its better to fight now than wait until the socialist machine gets more steam.

[perna]

Assembly Bill 2223 would require that hunters use nontoxic ammunition while in state wildlife management areas, effectively banning lead-shot bullets in those settings. Carried by Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, the measure passed the Assembly Water, Parks and Wildlife Committee 8-4.

What is wrong with this?

[ForTehNguyen]

What is wrong with this?

more expensive ammo, fearmongered danger, inconclusive risks, some green ammo (tungsten) was more toxic than scary lead ammo

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science...ets/index.html

Working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the North Dakota Department of Health ran a test to find out the health effects of lead-shot game. The agency compared blood-lead levels of people who regularly eat meat shot with lead bullets with the levels of those who don't eat much wild game.

The results were inconclusive. Those who ate the lead-shot meat had slightly higher blood-lead levels than those who didn't, but none of the 738 people in the study had levels above the government's threshold for danger.

[-gary]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science...ets/index.html

But it's for the critters safety, not the humans! They don't care about the human downsides, just the critters!

Non-lead ammo is a ruse to price people out of shooting just like micro stamping. IMO with rounds running $2 a pop for hunting calibers, they're hoping that $6 or $8 rounds will make shooters find another hobby.

The humorous part of the whole OC issue in CA is that most people would rather just carry concealed and not "intimidate" or "bully" anyone. So instead of taking a look at where the real problem is, politicians, as expected, look to pile on more legislation instead of just reversing their original failed course.

Welcome to the American political machine.

[Irish]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/calif...on-the-horizon

Months ago we were bombarded by the Brady Campaign's ruthless attempts to ban the open, lawful carry of firearms in public places such as Starbucks. Determined to remain on the outskirts of the debate, the coffee giant chimed in to issue a statement declaring its acceptance and compliance with State law. In California it is quite legal to openly display a firearm as long as the weapon is unloaded and holstered.

For now.

Democratic assembly-woman Lori Saldana of San Diego has authored a bill which would effectively eliminate the open carry of firearms. A shocking twist in the debate over California gun rights, such measures would ultimately remove the ability of Californians to defend themselves from like threats. As many residents and non-residents are aware California is already a “May-Issue” State with regards to concealed carry licensing and now their only means of lawfully carrying a firearm is under attack. While open carry advocates have urged their legislators to make concealed carry and other laws to put those who are scared by the sight of an openly-toted, unloaded firearm at ease, responses from the Assembly have been more reactionary than pro-gun advocates expected.

"What I'm concerned about is people who have no training can carry a gun for no other purpose than to make a public statement," said Saldana. Up until the present all political statements issued have been peaceful. With no other alternatives available, gun owners have adopted the only lawful means of protecting themselves when law enforcement is not readily available to intervene during a forcible felony in progress.

Law enforcement disagrees with such personal responsibilities; the California Police Chiefs Association has signed on as a sponsor of the bill. Emeryville Police Chief Ken James issued the following statement: "Officers are taught from day one in the academy that guns are a threat... This open carry places officers in a position between a rock and a hard spot.“

The Assembly Committee's Chairman, Tom Ammiano, strongly supports the ban which would make California the fourth State to completely remove open carry.

"Whether a gun is loaded or not, it's still an act of intimidation and bullying," Ammiano said. The fact remains that no law-abiding citizens openly carrying into Starbucks have intimidated or bullied their fellow citizens. The bill appears to stem from paranoia and frightened assumptions, nothing more.

Governor Schwarzenneger has been favorable towards anti-gun measures including Assembly Bill 962 signed six months ago which requires thumbprints and other identification be stored in a database which can be handed over to law enforcement.

Saldana, at a recent news conference, displayed video of citizens loading firearms within seconds. Such video was used to show how quickly one can bring an unloaded firearm into a ready-to-use condition. A rather contradicting piece from the politician who claims independent citizens “have no training.” The application of such skills and training for the greater good, for personal safety and public safety, seems to be irrelevant when the Assembly only considers what someone malicious might do.

The Bill will be considered on Tuesday and is suspected to be tacked on as a part of AB1934.

The Bay Area Open Carry Movement has been “using their First Amendment right to defend their Second Amendment right,” as another blogger put it. Since April 5th they have been calling Saldana's capitol office to protest and reason with her on this issue before gun rights and lawful self-defense in California are all but entirely eliminated.

Lori Saldana, Assembly-Woman of the 76th District [D]
Phone: (916) 319-2076
Assemblymember.Saldana@assembly.ca.gov

Governor Arnold Schwarzenneger [R]
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-558-3160
http://gov.ca.gov/

If you don't see this as being anti-2nd Amendment, anti-gun and anti-freedom then you need to pull your head out.

[-gary]

Do they require training to carry a hammer in PRK? I wonder, because that's basically what you have when you are carrying around an unloaded firearm.

[armakraut]

Well, we could incite California to secede from the union, then send someone like Sherman in to burn or save as many Californians as possible.

[Irish]

Do they require training to carry a hammer in PRK? I wonder, because that's basically what you have when you are carrying around an unloaded firearm.

Their arguments are very disengenous. A relevant quote from the article:

Saldana, at a recent news conference, displayed video of citizens loading firearms within seconds. Such video was used to show how quickly one can bring an unloaded firearm into a ready-to-use condition. A rather contradicting piece from the politician who claims independent citizens “have no training.” The application of such skills and training for the greater good, for personal safety and public safety, seems to be irrelevant when the Assembly only considers what someone malicious might do.