Police support national reciprocity for CC permit holders, do you?

[Irish]

LEOSA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enf...ers_Safety_Act

The wiki article is pretty good on this topic. Yeah, I know wikipedia but this article isn't botched.

I read that earlier but thank you for the link. I was wondering if any officers had any personal insight.

[Caeser25]

While I would really like national reciprocity to happen so I can carry up camp in Ashtabula, OH, especially after the recent article. I see it as more of the federal gov't pushing around the states, granted this is only a drop in the bucket as far as that goes.

[Irish]

im usually totally opposed to any federal legislation, except those very small, few necessary laws influencing ACTUAL interstate commerce- but a federal law allowing interstate travel with CCW is one gun law that's TOTALLY CONSTITUTIONAL. this would be one of those very few laws that actually IS related to interstate commerce- the ability for free, armed citizens to move about within the country, for commerce or pleasure.

im 100% on board with a federal CCW law. not that it would ever happen- they'll encroach on private citizens' and states' rights all day, until its to benefit us/them.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Arizona just became our 3rd state to recognize the 2nd Amendment and permit people to carry concealed based on our Constitution.

[ForTehNguyen]

i feel skeptical about letting anything federal touch conceal carrying

[scjbash]

I voted no for the same reasons that Joeywhat brought up. Concealed carry is something I'm much more comfortable with the states handling themselves.

I voted no because I feel that it cannot be implemented properly at the federal level.

Ultimately, what is the goal for national CCW reciprocity? To allow everyone in the country to carry in any state? That is fair enough...but who's rules do we follow? Setting rules at the federal level will be a cluster****, and ultimately at least half the states will end up LOSING carry rights due to states like California, New York and Illinois.

Forcing states to individually recognize other state permits is also difficult because I feel you're then infringing on state rights. I do feel this method would be more plausible and harmonious, however it also has it's drawbacks. With this plan how is it enforced? What will the law be telling the states? Will it say the states can create some laws regarding carry but not others? What if California says they'll allow carry but only if you purchased your gun on a Tuesday and are wearing a blue shirt?

What I think I'd like to see instead is for the individual states to come to agreements amongst themselves. I know much of the US already has reciprocity in some form or another...I feel we should work towards more of that then trying to institute something on the federal level. Yes in this case some states like California and the bunch will not cooperate, but that's life...they'll either eventually come around or end up imploding from their screwed up political system.

Is there something I'm missing? Is there another way I didn't mention? I'd be all for it if I felt it could be implemented properly, but I don't think that will happen. In the end, some people will end up with less rights, and I don't feel that's right.

[bkb0000]

I voted no for the same reasons that Joeywhat brought up. Concealed carry is something I'm much more comfortable with the states handling themselves.

we need to remember that concealed carry is really a federal issue, though.. any restriction on a person's 2A rights is a violation of the CONSTITUTION, which is federal. it's the federal government's obligation to protect our Constitutional rights, if the States can't get their shit together. i'm a big supporter of States' rights, but this isn't their jurisdiction.

[EzGoingKev]

I voted yes because I feel the states should already be required to honor it.

Under the full faith and credit clause of The Constitution they already recognize driver's, business, marriage licenses. I think it is BS that they just decide not to recognize one but do all the others.

[scjbash]

we need to remember that concealed carry is really a federal issue, though.. any restriction on a person's 2A rights is a violation of the CONSTITUTION, which is federal. it's the federal government's obligation to protect our Constitutional rights, if the States can't get their shit together. i'm a big supporter of States' rights, but this isn't their jurisdiction.

I agree that states shouldn't be able to ban a Constitutional right, which I see concealed carry as being. If it were a bill simply saying that any U.S. citizen with a clean record has a Constitutional right to carry anywhere then I would be all for it. But I think the current idea for a reciprocity bill would cause a cluster****. Let's say you carry, due to the bill's passing, into a state that bans their own residents from carrying there. How do you know what the carry laws are there when they don't have any? These states would have to pass laws setting where you can't carry, etc. Naturally the states with a ban would pass ridiculous laws that basically made carry impossible, going against the heart of the bill. The federal government would have to step in and set standards. But what if their standards were actually stricter than they are in some states? Some of us could actually lose rights in that situation. And none of this addresses the fact that there would still be people who couldn't get a permit where they live.

The way I see it if the federal government passes anything short of a bill granting everyone the right to carry everywhere, then they are also going to have to pass regulations. And right now I'm just not comfortable with the people we have in D.C. regulating anything involving my rights. With those people one regulation is a stepping stone to 10,000.

[Chris19delta]

Nation wide reciprocity would be nice but i don't want the federal government involved in the licensing process at all. If reciprocity is mandated by federal law it will give the national government an excuse mess with the licensing.

[bkb0000]

no- no federal licensing. but a federal law requiring national reciprocity. maybe federal minimums attached to the law- MUST allow anyone with a valud CCL from any state to move about in all places available to the public at large (public streets, private property open to the public [stores, banks, hospitals, bars, etc]), with the exception of government buildings (NOT an exclusion, just not a forced inclusion). this is how most states do it anyway.

tell me why it cant be this simple (aside from the fact that it's a ****in pipe dream).