Irons vs. Reddots

[KevinB]

That is a lot of darn rounds. Never kept that close of a count.

Anyway, I think mastery of the skills, means that we know what they are, how to correctly apply them and can perform these skills. This does not mean that we will be perfect all the time under all conditions. Hell even Tiger Woods makes mistakes. Sometimes even on the golf course.

Surf,
I got bored for a while, and started to work out how much I was shooting a year, then worked it out of a few years of that, and then years of less. I am not trying to reign in from Mount Olympus into this, cause I definitely am not in any position to do that, especially these days.


I am just chiming in with my $0.02, which basically was
I would like to see people learn irons first, in our society I am a realist, and giving them an optic right away will accomplish more for 99% of the people out there.

[Redhat]

I try really hard to do half my shooting RDS off using the BUIS.

Some would say I'm just being realistic and prudent - after all, I'm running EOTechs.

Just wondering; if the BUIS is not important enough to spend time learning, maybe the RDS has matured to the point where the BUIS is obsolete and folks don't even need them?

[shadow65]

I hope that is a joke. You won't see any tactical team without BUIS

[RogerinTPA]

Just wondering; if the BUIS is not important enough to spend time learning, maybe the RDS has matured to the point where the BUIS is obsolete and folks don't even need them?

I have many years (over a decade+) with Irons in the competitive arena on various weapon systems, so I doubt I'll forget how to use them. That said...it is up to the individual user, but from my perspective, RDSs may not break often, but they do break, get shot, shit gets lost, stolen, mounts get lose and fall off, forgotten, left in the truck/trunk of vehicle/ deck of an aircraft, left in the shooting bag, and batteries fail. Murphy is always springing up at the most inopportune moment. To completely disregard Irons is foolish, and those who chose to ignore training with them, does so at there own peril.

Besides, if anyone is aspiring to be a "switched on" firearms practitioner, as I think most folks on this board are, then why the aversion to learning an alternate sighting system as a back up to your primary? The more skills you learn about your firearms, the better off one will be.

[Redhat]

Just to be clear, I use both...

[KevinB]

I hope that is a joke. You won't see any tactical team without BUIS

Dont be so sure...

[C4IGrant]

Dont be so sure...

Right brother. I seem to remember a certain Tier 1 unit running their optics so high that they couldn't co-witness.

Then again, they most likely point shoot better than most people shoot WITH sights.


C4

[Jay Cunningham]

I've seen numerous pictures of .mil and various LEO tactical teams in the field with some type of optic and no BUIS.

Of course the individual gunslinger usually doesn't really have much say in what he is issued...

[shadow65]

That, in my opinion is reckless. Red dots do go down. I've had mine do it. Yes you can point and shoot. But that is far from optimal. If the weapon is a dedicated entry weapon, I could understand that. Don't like it but I understand the "less" need for Buis. But if it's on a Patrol weapon, no way.
I guess times are changing but that does not mean it's for the better.

[Harv]

I'm surprised people still debate irons vs. RDS's....

I stopped running irons a long time ago... I know some folks love to be old school and play the Riddle of iron, like the cracked a secret code that red dot shooters cannot....

I will always run a BUIS, but Red dots all the way.... There a force multiplier.... plain and simple.