AR - Home invasion by Police imposters, woman shot.(VIDEO)

[Littlelebowski]

Are you guys in uniform, DeltaG21?

[-gary]

This happens quite a bit in Phoenix, but it is usually the Mexicans extorting or kidnapping other Mexicans.

That's a a scary thought though, when you don't know who is coming through the door and almost puts us in the same position as soldiers in Iraq. Namely, is the person I am looking at actually a threat and do I shoot and risk the possibility of prison/death sentence down the road or a death sentence right here, right now if I don't act?

It wouldn't be fun, but I would think that I could deal with a few thugs trying to kick in the door. But the popo don't bring just a couple of guys with them. Fire on the first one through the door and chances are the other 12 won't let you walk out of there.

There's quite a few cases of wrong house, wrong person with citizens either in jail or dead after botched no-knock raids. I might not be doing anything illegal, but the house next door (or 1234 West something when I live at 1234 East something) might not be so upstanding.

[NCPatrolAR]

Plain clothes no-knock warrants are bad for the most part but it does give our paramilitary cops a chance to play tactical and justify their own existence.

Can it right now. This type of comment is whats going to lead this thread down the path to getting locked.

[NCPatrolAR]

This happens quite a bit in Phoenix, but it is usually the Mexicans extorting or kidnapping other Mexicans.

That's a a scary thought though, when you don't know who is coming through the door and almost puts us in the same position as soldiers in Iraq. Namely, is the person I am looking at actually a threat and do I shoot and risk the possibility of prison/death sentence down the road or a death sentence right here, right now if I don't act?

It wouldn't be fun, but I would think that I could deal with a few thugs trying to kick in the door. But the popo don't bring just a couple of guys with them. Fire on the first one through the door and chances are the other 12 won't let you walk out of there.

There's quite a few cases of wrong house, wrong person with citizens either in jail or dead after botched no-knock raids. I might not be doing anything illegal, but the house next door (or 1234 West something when I live at 1234 East something) might not be so upstanding.

Here's a hint. If the people kicking in your door are are yelling "where's the money", "wheres the drugs", or similar phrases there is a very good chance they arent the police.

If you look at most of these fake police home invasions, they are targeted toward dope dealers, criminals, and sometimes towards illegals (at least in this area). The people doing them are typically not dressed remotely alike (most officers will appear somewhat the same), are few in number (most agencies I know arent going to hit a house with less than 8-10 officers), make odd demands (see above), etc.

[-gary]

Here's a hint...

Of the few explosive situations I've been in, I could hardly tell you what was said or exactly what happened when it started. My own fear of confusion is that two seconds when the door is kicked in and the first guy is coming through. I haven't had a home invasion or a warrant executed, but I would think that by the time the demands came out it would be well past instinctual reaction time.

[6933]

Wonder what would happen if I was mistakenly no-knocked(wrong house) and I killed several officers without being killed myself? Would I go to jail? Not looking for a definite yes/no. Just thoughts.

[-gary]

Wonder what would happen if I was mistakenly no-knocked(wrong house) and I killed several officers without being killed myself? Would I go to jail? Not looking for a definite yes/no. Just thoughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

This guy wasn't mistakenly raided even though whether or not they should've been there in the first place was questioned. His case basically came down to the belief that they did announce themselves as police so his actions were not justified.

[NCPatrolAR]

but I would think that by the time the demands came out it would be well past instinctual reaction time.

From what I've seen; those demands are being said as they enter the house and try to gain control of all of the victims.

[pilotguyo540]

Here is where the bad guys can get a serious psycological advantage. Regular people wont shoot a cop.

Imagine you are at home doing what ever. Its a peaceful day and you are just a regular joe. Your door gets kicked in and you hear "POLICE!" A normal person should put their hands up or get on the floor. Imagine for a second that this was not actually the police. Good people suffer home invasions every now and then too. You hesitate because you think it is the police, and by the time you learn otherwise, it is way too late.

I think BG's using the cop bit is crossing a line. Shit like that will end up getting cops killed. I agree with the enhanced sentencing for this way more than for having a gun in offence of another crime.

[Irish]

Here's a hint. If the people kicking in your door are are yelling "where's the money", "wheres the drugs", or similar phrases there is a very good chance they arent the police.

What if they're yelling police? After they've got "control" of the situation in their "dynamic entry" it would be too late for you to defend yourself. I believe due to the initial confusion and the oh shit factor that you've lost your opportunity to defend yourself.

What if the real police don't announce themselves?I know that there are many cases where the real police have made mistakes on innocent people's houses and people have been shot and killed resulting in a tragic loss of life. I also know there are many recorded cases where police imposters have conducted their own "raids" and people have been seriously injured or killed. How do you distinguish between the 2 as a law abiding citizen in your house?

Most of the regulars on this board are armed the vast majority of the time or have easy access to weapons in their home or wherever they're at. I'm sure in a lot of situations where a no knock raid occurs and a mistaken residence is entered there would be a gun fight and the resident would be on the losing end. The problem being is the mindset of the police and the person of the residence when the door frame is splintering. I believe we all have similar mindsets in the fact that we'll defend not only ourselves, our loved ones and in the case of the police their fellow officers.

Again, let's try to keep this civil and no cop bashing. I'm hoping we can make it past one page without this being shut down as there is valuable information that can be learned.